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Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Cashmere » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 04:05:07

On another note, is it just me, or have things REALLY taken a sharp turn for he worse in the last 3 months?

I am, very seriously, an uber doomer, and I have been since reading LATOC about 3 years ago.

I guess the reality of the nearness of the EOTWAWKI seems to be on the MSM, which really bums me out, because even the donkeyshit eaters will look up from the trough at some point if it gets blared enough at them.

Food riots starting around the world. Oil price seemingly in a Mercury 5 trajectory. Limitations on how much grain you can buy from a box store in Cali and/or NE. Peak Oil and food supply issues regularly appearing on Drudge.


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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby hironegro » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 05:35:09

I think a lot of it has to do with the mainstream paradigms failing to properly answer a lot of these issues. If the situation gets worse we will see more ideas & concepts having to do with resource depletion.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby kpeavey » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 05:47:27

Drudge is Peak Oil aware, has been for some time. Rather than come out of the closet as a doomer, he simply adds links to his site.

Peak Oil is not a theory, it is a projection. One which is coming to fruition. At this point, the effects are presenting on a global scale and can no longer be hidden. While the MSM continues to report on the effects in the form of crises worldwide, they have yet to put 2 and 2 together. If the MSM were to report to the world in a manner that the common man could understand, and to a wide enough audience such that it can not be missed, there would be mass hysteria: food hoarding, panic, fuel hoarding, weapons purchasing, hostility, upheaval in the stock and commodity markets, civil disorder, runs on the banks. It is better that the sheeple be left in the dark lest it all come tumbling down.

While there is still time and the economy is still functioning, use it to prepare.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Ayoob » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 07:26:29

Yeah, it's a topic of conversation these days. People have been talking about gas prices for a couple years now, and nothing's gotten better. In fact... it's worse!

Next it'll be meat prices, then medical care, etc. Sooner or later, Americans will realize that our fantastic abundant lifestyles are going to be only seen in the rearview mirror.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 08:59:24

The main stream media still ignore it. I am yet to see the words "Peak Oil" appear in the headlines of any major newspaper and magazine.

The reason behind oil price rises are never fully explained in news bulletins.

If anything it seems that there is a conspiracy of silence.

We are seeing some coverage from non - mainstream sources but I fear for as long as the rich control the media we are never going to get the whole truth about PO. They have too much to lose.
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Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 09:08:48

I think there is a growing acceptance of the peak oil theory, but NOT a recognition that we are yet post-peak. When it's covered, it's still qualified with the catchphrase "there is still plenty of oil left". They know there is a problem. They just think it will resolve itself. They still seems to think there is a way for supply to catch up with demand through drilling the newly discovered fields and unconventional sources.

For instance, I just watched a news report on cable on the tar sands where the reporter was beaming with a smile talking to the main investor, like "Gee, isn't this a great thing that you are scraping the bottom of the barrel of EROEI? Now we're all saved!"
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Unread postby mmasters » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 09:20:43

Yeah the public is getting sold on ultra lightweight PO. When a crisis happens and or the cost of a new war inflates the currency of this country on par with Argentina people will have a rude awakening!

Shortages, mass sickness and widespread desperation are a certainty.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby BigTex » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 09:26:39

The two great hopes that are trotted out are ethanol and tar sands (though the truth about ethanol seems to be getting out).

In other words, as long as you don't need food or potable water, we have plenty of energy.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 09:27:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he main stream media still ignore it. I am yet to see the words "Peak Oil" appear in the headlines of any major newspaper and magazine.

The reason behind oil price rises are never fully explained in news bulletins.

If anything it seems that there is a conspiracy of silence.

We are seeing some coverage from non - mainstream sources but I fear for as long as the rich control the media we are never going to get the whole truth about PO. They have too much to lose.


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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 10:05:55

Most peeps think of Peak Oil like the Y2K problem. :razz:
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Unread postby wxman » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 10:09:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'T')he main stream media still ignore it. I am yet to see the words "Peak Oil" appear in the headlines of any major newspaper and magazine.

The reason behind oil price rises are never fully explained in news bulletins.

If anything it seems that there is a conspiracy of silence.

We are seeing some coverage from non - mainstream sources but I fear for as long as the rich control the media we are never going to get the whole truth about PO. They have too much to lose.


Twice in the past two weeks the Wall St. Journal has ran "Peak-like" stories above the fold on the front page. The first was the Russian decline, and today had a article questioning the Saudi's upcoming production capabilities.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby kokoda » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 11:43:05

Unfortunately most stories I seem to find read are like this

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

They state the obvious that demand is rising ... but they give the impression that supply has merely failed to catch up to demand.

The truth of course is that supply will never again match demand. No mention is made of that possibility in this article, or anyone of a dozen more I have read over the last month.

You may read the odd opinion piece such as the folksy little article mentioned in one of the above posts ... but no hard hitting stories.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 12:47:07

The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 13:14:37

I have definitely seen some slight penetration of awareness of PO into the mainstream media reports. For example, "peaking of production" in several countries was mentioned on the NBC or ABC nightly news within the past few days (can't remember which network; I flip back and forth between them to try to extract something useful out of all the crap).

Soaring prices will finally force more of the facts into the public's face.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 14:53:45

Wait until energy supply adequacy statistics are viewed with the same contempt as official measures of price inflation. That is when peak oil can be called mainstream.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby whatpeak » Tue 22 Apr 2008, 17:06:00

I think that the public is being told about Plateau Oil to soften the punch to the stomach.

Oil Has Two Potential Futures

It would've been nice to hear the Shell Stategist mention what the former Shell Geologist said about Peak Oil. But he does use the term "easily accessible convential oil." Later on he discusses the "scramble" outcome and the "blueprint" outcome. The scramble outcome is just another way of saying resource wars (ala Klare). Heinberg's protocols came to mind when they discussed "blueprint" outcome.
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Unread postby s0cks » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 09:12:31

The mainstream media blame it on everything BUT peak oil.

- Lack of production investment
- Lack of exploration
- War and Polictical Problems
- Refinary fires and maintanence
- High government taxes
- Collapsing dollar
- Credit Crunch
- Housing Market Collapse

You can hear almost every excuse, be it partially right, or totally wrong, but no-one ever mentions the two words PO. Not on headline news atleast.
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Unread postby mommy22 » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 10:50:57

I also think that so many things are happening so quickly, and they all are stemming from PO...whether it's airlines going down due to fuel costs, to the whole biofuel/world hunger issues (which was such a hairbrained scheme...it just seemed stupid to me from the getgo to use food for fuel...someone (poor) was bound to get kicked in the stomach with that kind of decision making!), to the truckers and their strikes, to seeing $4 per gallon in the us, to food costs here rising daily, to $120 per barrel blasted from the news daily (or the next record). So many stories all relating to oil and it's got to be talked about some way...blabbing on about how the next technology or the next oil find will save us starts to sound really shallow after a while. These issues are just now really affecting us all and they have to start the discussion.
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Re: Is it just me, or is PO really hitting the main stream?

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 11:24:53

Oil is the GOD of modern civilization. You can't be dissing GOD!
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Unread postby allenwrench » Wed 23 Apr 2008, 12:00:16

I've talked with a few people in my travels about PO. They seems to be in the dark about it. Others think it will not be any big deal for decades. I think media is still hiding it from the public for the most part. Every great once in while I hear about PO in passing in the media.
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