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Unread postby skateari » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:08:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here will never be enough Matt bashing.


True. At least for anyone who has nothing else better to do then flame someone over the internet :roll:
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Unread postby skateari » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:09:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#')2 My goal on this site is to kill time when there is nothing on TV.


Jezz. What a exciting life you must have! :lol:
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Unread postby JayHMorrison » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:14:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#')2 My goal on this site is to kill time when there is nothing on TV.


Jezz. What a exciting life you must have! :lol:


You post about the same number per day that I do. What are you doing here? Trying to save the world?
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Unread postby Scooter_Rider » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:15:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#')2 My goal on this site is to kill time when there is nothing on TV.


Jezz. What a exciting life you must have! :lol:


I think Jay gets some kind of sick pleasure out of trying to ruin someone's livelihood. Perhaps Jay should try internet porn. It might be more pleasurable than trying to ruin someone's life. 8O
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Unread postby skateari » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:16:06

Hey your the one who admitted all you do all day is watch TV and flame people on the internet.

Not me :shock:

(edit) PS- im done with this. No more of this crap for the sake of this site, k?
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Unread postby Scooter_Rider » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:19:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', 'H')ey your the one who admitted all you do all day is watch TV and flame people on the internet.

Not me :shock:


This is exactly why Jay cannot accept peak oil and it's consquences. Without TV and the internet, what will he do and how will he survive?
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Unread postby Scooter_Rider » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:22:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', 'H')ey your the one who admitted all you do all day is watch TV and flame people on the internet.

Not me :shock:

(edit) PS- im done with this. No more of this crap for the sake of this site, k?


I also concur. Responding to Jay is like trying to tell a 2-year old to stop sucking it's thumb. :lol:

Now where did I put that ignore button?
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Unread postby Ayoob_Reloaded » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:23:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scooter_Rider', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#')2 My goal on this site is to kill time when there is nothing on TV.


Jezz. What a exciting life you must have! :lol:


I think Jay gets some kind of sick pleasure out of trying to ruin someone's livelihood. Perhaps Jay should try internet porn. It might be more pleasurable than trying to ruin someone's life. 8O


What is this "internet porn" of which you speak?
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Unread postby Scooter_Rider » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:25:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scooter_Rider', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#')2 My goal on this site is to kill time when there is nothing on TV.


Jezz. What a exciting life you must have! :lol:


I think Jay gets some kind of sick pleasure out of trying to ruin someone's livelihood. Perhaps Jay should try internet porn. It might be more pleasurable than trying to ruin someone's life. 8O


What is this "internet porn" of which you speak?


OMG... you don't know what you've been missing. :lol:
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Unread postby JayHMorrison » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 19:32:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scooter_Rider', ' ')Perhaps Jay should try internet porn.


How do you know I havn't? It is very profitable. Database development contracts pay well for porn.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Scooter_Rider', '
')It might be more pleasurable than trying to ruin someone's life. 8O


How old are you? Ruin someone's life? Whose? Grow up you whelp.
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Unread postby nero » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 20:59:49

You know, Jay's initial posting to the thread in my opinion is pretty fair (all except peak oil not necessarily being a bad thing). He basically said consider the source, and evaluate the facts for your self. Putting aside his history with Matt I don't think that is really much of a flame at all. It hardly warrants a call to ban someone.

The rest of this thread is flaming away, but I don't think Jay started it.
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Unread postby RdSnt » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 21:20:07

Anyways, back to the subject at hand. The advice to 'not panic' is a very good one. Take a bit of time to get use to this idea, it's a rather large one.
None of us knows for sure what is going to occur in the near or far future. We have some ideas, based on historical evidence, and that scares most of us. There is certainly good, if only interpretive, clues that those in high office are aware of PO and have taken serious steps to look after themselves.

If you think of this as a survival task, no I don't mean crazed militias or TV reality shows, then approach preparation in a very conservative way. Don't go into debt, start immediately paring down your energy use. Take modest initial steps.
First though, take a couple of months to think and read and talk to those, like us on this site, in order to thoroughly convince yourself that the evidence is real and meaningful. If you are not really convinced yet you won't be able to prepare effectively or make sensible decisions.
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Unread postby RdSnt » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 21:23:41

I'm finding this site to be helpful. The financial markets are going to be a good early warning system. We, non-professionals, are not going to get good direct data on oil depletion or reserves.

http://www.financialsense.com/
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Unread postby JayHMorrison » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 21:24:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '
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The rest of this thread is flaming away, but I don't think Jay started it.


I sure do know how to finish them. I can basically put any thread into the Hall of Flames with a few well aimed posts to trigger the the left wing collective.
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 21:37:47

Well, obviously this thread has little relation to hydrocarbon depletion, so I think it will take a journey to the Open Forum where we can see if it can even survive there. 8)

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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 21:49:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')ell, obviously this thread has little relation to hydrocarbon depletion, so I think it will take a journey to the Open Forum where we can see if it can even survive there. 8)

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Unread postby Wallygator » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 22:11:29

Peak Oil has been on my mind for about a month. I did a lot of reasearch and I'm currently reading David Goodstein's book "Out of Gas-The End of the Age of Oil". The followers of M.K.Hubbert subscribe to his model and predict that peak oil production will happen between now and 2010. They may or may not be correct. Perhaps this peak will not happen for another 20 years. Knowing exactly when this will happen is not absolutely important. Being armed with this knowledge however has made me reevaluate my career aspirations. At the moment I work as a flight instructor in the hopes to build enough hours so that someday I can be a 'real' pilot and work for the airlines. With my current job I have to be at the airport at weird hours and my schedule is different everyday. In the past eight months I've neglected my friends, my family and other important things in my life just because I've been so busy with this fledgling career. Now that I've become conscious to the looming future petroleum crisis I'm wondering if all my hard work will be wasted. Perhaps in about 5 years when I would be ready for the airlines the world will be topsy turvy. I think what I'll do is moderate my working habits so that flying will not be on my mind so much. Instead I want to devote more time to my parents and my younger brother, my friends and the other responsibilities. This knowledge will uncomplicate my life.
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Unread postby seahorse » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 22:36:01

Jay,

I haven't been a member long enough to understand exactly where you are coming from. I like your posts, agreeable or not, I think that any post can and should give some balance. I don't know why you would enjoy trying to "end" a discussion just for the sake of ending it. I think you are here to learn to, otherwise, you wouldn't ask about how other people are handling their portfolios.

At any rate, I don't know what all transpired between you and Matt, I've read some of it, but it really doesn't matter that much to me. In the end, I think both you and he play a role. Matt's done and doing a good job about bringing attention to Peak Oil. He does a good job of linking people on his site to other sources. Many here have read his stuff, I'm sure there are lots that agree, lots that disagree with his conclusions of a dieoff, but probably most agree that overrall its a good site for awareness.

Do you agree that Savinar has done any benefit by educating people?
Have you personally threatened him in the past? Seriously, do you wish the guy physical harm or is it just an idealogical difference of opinion?

Do you have the same criticisms of ASPO as you do Savinar? Mathew Simmons? and others? I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic. I would like to understand where you are coming from in this debate.

What is your position on peak oil? Real or fabricated? If you believe its an issue, what is your best guess as to its timing? Do you generally fall under the category of soft landing or hard landing? Who do you rely on, or what sources do you find reliable in coming to your opinions?

Last, I'm interesting in knowing more about you, what you do, age, where you live, kids, no kids, married not married. I understand if you don't want to say, but you've been critical of Savinar based on his age and experience. I think that's a fair criticism, but I'm interested in knowing the same about you.

What I generally haven't like in the past on the peak oil debate, is the lack of disclosure by those being critical of others. Take Lynch for example, he's critical of the data used by guys like Campbell, yet he never gives anyone the basis for his own rosy opinions. Its too easy for Lynch to sharp shoot, but it looses credibility unless he makes public his own analysis/data and subjects his own opinions to the scrutiny of the public. So, I hope that you will give me a better understanding of where you are coming from, and hopefully answer the above questions, including some of your own personal background.
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 21 Feb 2005, 22:59:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')ell, obviously this thread has little relation to hydrocarbon depletion, so I think it will take a journey to the Open Forum where we can see if it can even survive there. 8)

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Not sure what you are insinuating, but the last place we need this kind of discussion is on the Peak oil main forum. That is why I moved it. Perhaps it will get lost in the sediments of the Open forum and no newcomers will ever have to see it.

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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Tue 22 Feb 2005, 11:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot sure what you are insinuating, but the last place we need this kind of discussion is on the Peak oil main forum. That is why I moved it. Perhaps it will get lost in the sediments of the Open forum and no newcomers will ever have to see it.


Lost in the sediments, eh? Maybe future generations will find it in the form of a sticky black substance that burns well. They could use it to build an entire civilization. Then one day they would burn through half of it and be forced back to a world without it. I dunno, it's a possibility...
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