[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', 'r')wwff = right wing wacko fundamentalist fool?

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ettin' any understanding yet Smiley?

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('monte', 'I')t's esoteric, not esotheric, by the way.

[WebHubbleTelescope]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hey like nature and love and soft things like that so they are not as stuck in machineland.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')our average right-winger is a belonger, organizational people who don't question authority.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SoothSayer', '
')24 hours head start would be worthwhile ... if only to bulk buy at the supermarket before the hordes sweep them clean.

[galacticsurfer]

Cornucopians are usually not here at PO site. They say it's all alright and switch channels. "Hey they will just make hybrids dude, chillout!"

Doomers(PO/GW types) are worriers by nature, bite the finger nail types or progressives with a big picture of universe or libertarians hide in the woods types with a stash of food. All crazies from left, right, center who happen to come down on this issue of being against a specific status quo. I bet all of us have higher than average IQs or are probably quite neurotic or outsiders to a certain extent. Labels of left, right, center just confuse the picture.
It is really intuitive in our heads "Something is wrong here. We're f****ed!" like in a good horror movie, somehow the music changes, the lighting too, a door was left ajar, you get goose bumps and know the killer is lurking around the corner. The killer in this case is PO or GW or national debt or whatever we perceive. Certainly the danger is real but some "animals" only perceive danger too late and others are always on the lookout due to their inherent nature and see it where it is maybe not(aliens coming to attack!!). They are a bit paranoid or crazy in view of the average guy but they survive and warn their friends (or else they just land in the nuthouse for being too crazy or on the psychiatrist's couch for neurotic behaviour or in a strange political party or revolutionary movement(like PO)).

With regards to big picture vs. little picture I think too much in the big picture mostly and do nothing practical. It helps however to collect a lot of "data" on whatever and then to slowly see a bigger picture from that data(a general theory) then to react concretely from this theory in turn.

Yeah sure we need a paradigm shift. Turn off the lights and go to bed when it gets dark, wear a sweater at home in the winter, ditch the car and walk or bike and plant a garden. Paradigm shifts happen on the ground where we live and not in the ivory tower.

That is at the personal local level. At the next level we could shoot all economists and political theorists. This would be very satisfying at a gut level for most people, regardless of political affiliation.

[Heineken]

A doomer met a cornucopian and asked him, "Do you have any grapes? I'm hungry."

And the cornucopian replied, "Of course I have grapes. I always have grapes, and lots of 'em. But none for you!"

The doomer said, "But I'm starving! Why won't you give me some of your grapes, if you have so many?"

"Because you're a doomer!" bellowed the cornucopian. "Fulfill your destiny, and die!"

"It's OK," said the doomer, drawing away, smiling slyly in the midst of pain. "I happen to know you don't have any grapes at all."

[mlit]

The doomer then fattened himself off of his stockpiled rations while the cornucopian waited in line to compete for some government cheese. (But his Ipod continued to work flawlessly.)

[Pretorian]

each doomer has this ready for such conversations


http://www.random-abstract.com/kukri/bi ... uge-02.jpg

[Grifter]

It’s not a joke but I’ll tell my little story anyway.

A doomer met a doomer.

I got a taxi back from Manchester on Saturday. (I’d missed the last train) and the driver turned out to be a peak oil / overpopulation doomer!!! I’ve never actually met someone who is aware of peak oil, let alone a doomer in the real world before.

The conversation started with me asking what brought him to Britain. He arrived 10 years ago because his family had already come here. He’d seen such massive change in Manchester over this time. He said we are growing too quickly.

As I looked out of the cab at the row upon row of Restaurants and Bars, many full to overflowing, I said yes, too many people using too much energy.

Hmmm, he said, and people, not just in the UK, having 5 children or more, and those children having 5 children or more.

Hmmm, I said.

I don’t think it will end very well he said.

Hmmm I said.

The conversation stopped and we sat in comfortable quiet. Not much more to be said between two pessimists.

I arrived home, having used 100 slaves worth of energy to do so.

[killJOY]

Nice little fable, Heineken. You'd get an "A" in my initial writing assignment in College Writing. We start with short fables to prime the pump.


"The Cask of Heineken"

A cornucopian and a doomer meet in a pub.

The doomer looks at the cornucopian's glass and says, "Look, it's half empty."

Mr Cornu says, "Yeah, well watch this." He gives his glass to the bartender and has it refilled.

The doomer says, "Follow me," and takes Mr Cornu into the pub cellar. There he points out the cask and notes that it too is half empty.

"The Market will provide," Mr Cornu says. "I believe there are more casks in this place."

"Check in that little alcove over there," Doomer says.

When Mr Cornu reaches the alcove, Doomer presses him against the wall and handcuffs him there. Mr Cornu thinks it's a joke and laughs at Doomer.

Doomer begins sealing up the alcove with bricks and mortar. Finally, Mr Cornu realizes this is no joke.

"You can't do this to me," he says, "I'll run out of oxygen."

Fitting the last brick into place, Doomer says, "The Market will provide."


Nah. Too derivative.

[Heineken]

Wonderful comments and stories, all. Belly laughs.

Doom can be fun.

My own little fable leaves you with the question, Does the cornucopian in fact have any grapes?

The answer must come out of your own belief system.

Personally, I think he's bluffing, and side with the doomer. Either the cornu has no grapes, or he has so few he's unwilling to share. So much for the horn of endless plenty.

[Twilight]

A doomer and a cornucopian walk into a bar.

The music stops.

A man steps out of the shadows and says, "Mighty fine cornucopia you have there."

"Why yes," says the cornucopian, "and who would you be?"

"I am from the government," says the man, "and I would like a word."

[bodigami]

the first 2 are widely known inside this forum... but post-harmageddonist has not being used before, although it's implicit in some topics.

Basically someone who knows about Hunab Ku, Kali Yuga, and so on, and also wants to use this end of an era and start of another era as a Rebirth of Human Mind. It can be of almost any religion or philosophy, but a post-harmageddonist is basically someone that understand this change as an oportunity to evolve into a higher spiritual being and be a part of a human mind with each human as a neuron... or something.

[cowuvula]

You could say the DM/LM ratio approeaches infinity.

We should start a WHERE WERE YOU THREAD.

Where were you when the grid came down?

[Ainan]

I voted doomer. However i see a great opportunity in the post peak oil future, especially for someone like me in their early 20s. We can teach people a new way to live, build new community's from the ground up, restore the glory's of nature. Ever wanted your own country? Now you can! Nothing is too far fetched in the future. Well perhaps evolving into a 'higher spiritual being' and that rapture stuff.

[bodigami]

what's a DM/LM ratio?

Ainan, do I even mentioned rapture? No, if it will even be an option it will be harmageddonist. post-harmageddonist is inspired in everything but fundamentalist abrahmics.

[jasonraymondson]

Death and destruction baby!!!!

[bodigami]

not a single cornucopian?