[FoolYap]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', '1'). Listen to God over everyone else.
2. Don't use his name swearing
3. Don't worship or pray to any carved images or statues.
4. Keep the seventh day eacy week
5. Honor your father and mother
6. Do not kill for any reason
7. Do not have sex with anyone but your wife.
8. Stop taking things that dont belong to you
9. Stop lying already
10. Don't wish for things you don't need.

these are all the laws we need, every crime fits under these 10.

[Pretorian]

Are u a southern baptist valvula?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', '
')7. Do not have sex with anyone but your wife.

[Kaj]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', 't')here is black and white right and wrong, and if you don't like it, you are wrong.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', 'M')an is immoral, and just give him enough power he will prove it.

[Ache]

This is more/less what I meant to say
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our moral and ethics are universal to situations you find yourself in. Your morals and ethics shouldn't change according to who the individuals are or along national/ethnic lines .Morals and ethics involve ideas about boundaries and where lines are drawn. They entirely depend on what you personally believe is right or wrong.

[Kaj]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', 'M')an is immoral, and just give him enough power he will prove it.

[cowuvula]

Conscience, if not corrupted is the voice of God to you.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', 'W')hat if your moral code IS to give a good hearing to your conscience on a situational basis?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', 'C')onscience, if not corrupted is the voice of God to you.

[FourOfSwords]

Cowuvula, as an example Nature is neither good, nor bad, it is impartial. It is only our interpretations/reactions to events that lead us to judge them good or bad. So to with all things we encounter in our lives. If someone insults you, it is only your interpretation of the insult that makes it good or bad. If you CHOOSE not to interpret an insult as insulting, it is not...
This way of Reasoning can be applied to morals and ethics. It's not easy given our conditioning, but it IS possible.
You mentioned: 'there is black and white right and wrong', this is only so if you let it be so, try to suspend judgement, and you will find that there 'just is'.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Alex

[POAlex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cowuvula', 't')he moral law is the basis of morality

[kakkerlak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ache', '"')Your morals and ethics should be the same no matter where you are or where you go or who you are with or who is going to get hurt/benefit and they sure should not depend on lines drawn on nationality/ethnicity."

[kakkerlak]

Already wrote too much, but i like to add this...

DO THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW?

Sacrificing yourself to save one or multiple lives is a noble act. There is no way in which an action like this can be considered immoral as long as it's your own choice. The needs of many do outweigh the needs of the few if you decide to sacrifice your own needs.

Is NOT sacrificing yourself to save multiple lives immoral?

Now, to make this question more interesting...

What if you have to sacrifice one innocent child to save (for example) twelve people. So, what if you have to kill someone to save multiple lives? Is this immoral? And if this is immoral; the group could have sacrificed itself to save the innocent child. So, who is immoral? The entire group or only the killer?

Some stuff to think about, have fun!
Roach

[Kaj]

This question has me confused because generally the 'needs' of the few are often considered to be different to the 'needs' of the many.


The way I see it, the 'needs' of everyone outweigh the 'wants' of the few.

[Kaj]

Since we have some religious people here, I was wondering what you might think of my following thoughts.

'religion' - 're' ('again') 'ligio' ('connect')

Religion is about reconnecting--to the universe and fellow humans. The many religions of this planet usually tend towards the same thing - transendence into a spiritual realm to contemplate, the infinity that we exist in, but also to act kindly to our fellow kind.

In some cases, we are wont to give this universe a human face, aka God, which is cool, if that helps.

Furthermore religion connects us to each other. Religious institutions still play a vital role in community, I can't see that ever going away, no matter how far science takes us. That's cool too- as long as the institutions encourage independent thinking, which sadly they often don't.

In some of my quasi-spiritual bs moments I often think of the universe itself as God, but without a human personality. That contemplation helps me to consider my relative insignificance and all that, and helps me to sympathise more with the plight of life in general.
So far I don't think I think this co-incides with the conventional religious. I greatly respect religious people who interpret their doctrines along these lines, anyway.

Where I depart from many religious people is that I also consider myself necessarily as part of that universe. I am part of the same energy, and all that. What I really dislike in many teaching is that severence between the human and the divine. We are PART of the universe/God. That should be empowering, and reason for joy.

But religious doctrine often teaches us that we are nothing like God. We are to consider ourselves infinitely inferior, seperate, and ignorant. We must be humble and feel guilty. This message is often reinforced by certain figures at the heads of religious institutions--institutions like the Vatican, whose objectives, as far as I can see, are extremely secular.
This is why 'religion' gets a bad name.

'Religion' as 'reconnection' is an essential faculty of human existence it would seem. I just wish that people were a little more independent in pursuing this.

I hope I don't offend.

[Plantagenet]

The Thelemite order of Rabelais:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

Rabelais gives us a description of how the Thelemites of the Abbey lived and the rules they lived by:

All their life was spent not in laws, statutes, or rules, but according to their own free will and pleasure. They rose out of their beds when they thought good; they did eat, drink, labour, sleep, when they had a mind to it and were disposed for it. None did awake them, none did offer to constrain them to eat, drink, nor to do any other thing; for so had Gargantua established it. In all their rule and strictest tie of their order there was but this one clause to be observed:

Do What Thou Wilt

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '[')b]Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law