[Chuckmak]

*gives SPG a big hug*

[Pops]

Re: Why humans deserve extinction

I guess then so do beavers, borers, beetles and bears who all kill trees in their quest for a livelihood.

But take heart, SPG, we'll all die soon enough - and if you have your wish so will our offspring.

[hironegro]

Well that sucks. it sucks even more that it was caused bu some bullshit chiropractor.

[Plantagenet]

Woodman, Spare That Tree

WOODMAN, spare that tree!
Touch not a single bough!
In youth it sheltered me,
And I'll protect it now.
'Twas my forefather's hand
That placed it near his cot;
There, woodman, let it stand,
Thy axe shall harm it not!
That old familiar tree,
Whose glory and renown
Are spread o'er land and sea,
And wouldst thou hew it down?
Woodman, forbear thy stroke!
Cut not its earth-bound ties;
O, spare that aged oak,
Now towering to the skies!
When but an idle boy
I sought its grateful shade;
In all their gushing joy
Here too my sisters played.
My mother kissed me here;
My father pressed my hand --
Forgive this foolish tear,
But let that old oak stand!
My heart-strings round thee cling,
Close as thy bark, old friend!
Here shall the wild-bird sing,
And still thy branches bend.
Old tree! the storm still brave!
And, woodman, leave the spot;
While I've a hand to save,
Thy axe shall hurt it not.

--George Pope Morris

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'R')e: Why humans deserve extinction

I guess then so do beavers, borers, beetles and bears who all kill trees in their quest for a livelihood.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')e humans are on a mission. We are systematically trying to find all the living things on this earth and either kill them or cage them and cut their beaks off. It's sick. We are a sick species. We've lost our minds. We've forgotten everything that matters and embarked on this singular mission of vandalizing the earth.

[Ludi]

It's not "our species" it's a segment of our society and our cultural background, and our way of life.


Our species is no more harmful than rattlesnakes, beavers, ants, scorpions, bears, etc.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'W')e've forgotten everything that matters...

[dinopello]

I'm somewhere in the middle. I think if you are going to chop down an old tree, especially one made of good wood - you really ought to at the very least make something out of it that is going to be around at least as long as the tree is old. If you can't do it, there are many wood workers that are around that can take trees like that.

[TheDude]

At the other extreme Save Our Elms spends tens of thousands of dollars per year to inoculate a big batch of Ulmus americanas against the Dutch blight. Plenty of mentally ill homeless in Portland fishing through dumpsters for half finished Whoppers...

[Ludi]

How do we prioritize?

[Lumpy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'U')p until two days ago, the lot next to my office was a really beautiful spot. It had three huge majestic elm trees. These things were so big that if you wrapped your arms around them, your fingers wouldn't touch. Some piece of sh-t chiropractor bought the space and decided to build an office.

[smallpoxgirl]

Thanks Lumpy.

I totally agree vis-a-via Domus Albion's situation. I mean, I have a wood stove for god's sake, it's not that I think humans should never cut trees. I think it was more the rampant disregard for the fact that "Yes, this was a special place and these were special beings." Just coming in with a backhoe, ripping everything all to hell, shipping the macerated trees off to the landfill. It was just all very hateful, destructive, and wasteful in the way that it was done. And realistically, like I said, there was no conceivable reason for even killing one of them. It wasn't in the way of anything. I guess they just figured things would look tidier with it gone. I was ok, until they killed the last one. The other two were near the middle of the lot, and it would have been hard to build around them. Downing that third tree just seemed malicious. It felt like a direct assault on my values. Even the developer that sold them the lot is apparently pissed about it.

[auscanman]

We deserve extinction not because of a single incident such as this, but because despite having vastly superior brain power to any other organism that has ever inhabited the earth, we have been unable to take even the most rudimentary measures to plan for the long term survival of our species.

It's a strange irony that all our vast brain power will have yielded us is one of the shortest periods of survival of any species that has ever inhabited this planet.

[BlisteredWhippet]

The trees grew, the trees fell, the trees grew, the trees fell, the trees grew, the trees were chopped down, the land was plowed, the trees grew, and were chopped down, the land was plowed, cultivated, the crops planted, cultivated, planted, cultivated, planted, cultivated, planted, cultivated, fertilized, planted, cultivated, fertilized, planted, cultivated, fertilized, planted, cultivated, on on until it was cultivated no more and the trees grew, the trees grew, until their roots hit the hard pan clay and silt and rocks from the years of compaction and erosion, and the roots were solublized by alochols created by anaerobic bacteria which spread with the fetid water trapped underground, and spread diseases, created acids, toxified minerals, driving the biota before it, weakening the trees, suscepting them to disease, blight, beetles, worms, and the tree was cut down, the sod removed, the dirt pounded flat in prepration for burial.

We only see what is on the surface. We see a tree and think that we see the whole thing, but we do not, and never have. No one really looked, as surprising as that sounds. And by looked I meant felt, seen, and smelled. Who digs holes and looks? Who looks and understands?

We are on the verge of a new understanding of how things grow and live. In the development of this idea, we will look at plants a new way. We will not be sentimental about trees, or people that cut them down, or a harvest, or a culling. We are about to experience a different passage of time because the substrate of our existence is about to change, as the way we look at it changes. That substrate is the soil and by soil we mean biology, the biota, and by the biota we mean us.

We came from dust and will disappear as dust, if we do not align with the biota that create the conditions for our existence. The human being was helped every step of his journey from dust by a trillion hands, a universe of life that created the steps that made your mind possible. And these hands will hold us together if we let them, because they created us.

Great things are coming.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('auscanman', 'W')e deserve extinction not because of a single incident such as this, but because despite having vastly superior brain power to any other organism that has ever inhabited the earth, we have been unable to take even the most rudimentary measures to plan for the long term survival of our species.

It's a strange irony that all our vast brain power will have yielded us is one of the shortest periods of survival of any species that has ever inhabited this planet.

[seldom_seen]

We deserve everything we're going to get and more, in spades, and then some. You can't just go round ass raping the earth year after, decade after decade without consequences. There will be a reckoning, and industrial man will be given no quarter.

As for the works of SPG. I raise my mug to her. When a tree becomes overgrown, and overcrowded with branches and leaves. We prune it. Why should we not prune the tree of man?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')We thought they were going to leave the third one...

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')I think it was more the rampant disregard for the fact that "Yes, this was a special place and these were special beings." Just coming in with a backhoe, ripping everything all to hell, shipping the macerated trees off to the landfill. It was just all very hateful, destructive, and wasteful in the way that it was done. And realistically, like I said, there was no conceivable reason for even killing one of them.

[ANewHuman]

It's not the tree so much is it SPG, it's the fact you realize society is fucked. At some point most of us doomers have this realization, we look at society like it's this crazed, illogical, overtly emotional shitheap and wonder "how the fuck was I ever a part of this". That's not the worst realization though, it's "I'm still in this society...."

The tree(s) is just the trigger for you to come to this realization. Nothing wrong with cutting down a tree and using it's beautiful wood for energy or shelter. But when you have a faceless shit society cutting it down and running amok like a villian in Texas chainsaw massacre ... well.... yeah.

Home grown terrorists need to rise up and help bring it all down, how many are willing to step up? Too few unfortunately, too few.