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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 00:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '(')...)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]His brain remains at the size of a Homo erectus.


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:lol: that gives us an idea of how much brain is used by Jena, "bigger" or not. :lol:
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 00:39:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat is not "the African," he is a member of a tribe who are genetically the oldest known human group on Earth. He is the original of "Cro Magnon" that you are so proud of.

Not true. Ludi, you can't possibly be that ignorant of anthropology. Cro-Magnon was large-brained (more so than any modern race, volume >1500 cm^2), fair-skinned, native to Europe and northern Asia (where his remains are chiefly found). His skull and teeth are visibly caucasiod. His closest modern ethnic groups are the Finnish and the Lapps. His genes are present in reduced portion in East Asians and in Native Americans because in prehistoric times the Cro-Magnon was a wanderer who met and mated with the early Yoyoi Asiatic sapiens, producing the hybrid Asiatic who, in turn, formed a part of the gene flow across the Bering strait during the Ice Age.

I've not yet figured out whether you are joking or being seriously deceptive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '[')b]His brain remains at the size of a Homo erectus.

[emoticon expressing rolling eyes]

There's nothing theoretically wrong, as far as I know, with a dark-skinned human race having a large brain and a high average IQ. But in the real world I don't know of any such race.

Studies based on MRI scans show that the average brain volume for modern Whites is 1427 cubic centimeters; for African Blacks, 1361 cubic centimeters. US-resident Blacks (who have a bit of White in their genetic makeup) have brains of intermediate volume, with the variation being in proportion and in positive correlation with the degree of White admixture.

In terms of brain weight, the averages for mulatto brains went like this:
pure Black = 1,157 grams
15/16 Black, 1/16 White = 1,191 grams
7/8 Black, 1/8 White = 1,335 grams
3/4 Black, 1/4 White = 1,340 grams
1/2 Black, 1/2 White = 1,347 grams

For US-residents, the average Black brain is about 100 grams lighter than the average White brain. That 100-gram weight difference, between White Americans and US-resident Blacks, corresponds to an approximate 600 million neuron advantage for Whites. In 600 million neurons, there are about 600 billion synapses, each of which carries, as a minimum, one bit of cortical information.

IQ correlates very well with brain weight, with pure African Blacks having an average IQ of 70, with US-resident mulattoes having an average IQ of 85, and with Whites averaging at IQ 103. The standard deviation in IQ for US-resident Blacks is 12 points; that for Whites is 15 points.

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it isn't about size, it's about how you use it (lol... this can be used in other contexts). your wisdom and ethics are non-existant, your brain is filled with crap, therefore you should not survive the die-off. :lol:
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 02:08:50

Now wait a second, I thought the deal with brain size was the ratio of brain size to body mass, not absolute brain size.

That's why the whales and dolphins are not catching us in nets, right?

Womens' brains are usually smaller than mens', because on average women are smaller than men. That doesn't have anything to do with whether men or women are smarter, right? We had this debate like 100 years ago.

Jenab6, help me understand why men are not demonstrably more intelligent than women, if men on average have larger brains than women?

Also, why did Neanderthal not do better in its competition with Cro-Magnon, since Neanderthal had a larger brain than Cro-Magnon?

Why did human civilization take off AFTER Cro-Magnon's large brain was diluted through breeding with other species/races and their girly-man brains?

Also, what exactly is the purpose of higher intelligence, in your view? All it seems to have done for us thus far is permit us to treat our natural habitat like a cheap whore and develop a self-image that is comically delusional in its alternating sense of self-importance and self-loathing.

Sometimes I would rather just have a lion's brain and be well-integrated into my habitat. I would enjoy having conversations with lionesses like this:

Lioness: "So what do you do?"
BTLion: "Uh, I chase zebras and kill them."
Lioness: "Is that it?"
BTLion: "No, sometimes I let one of those pussy cheetahs chase the zebra and after he's had a couple of bites I tell him to get lost."
Lioness: "So you just chase zebras or chase cheetahs away from zebra carcasses?"
BTLion: "Well, I am also a world class napper. Sometimes, when I get into a good spot when the sun is just right, I can be one big laid out catnapping mofo."

You know, king of the beasts, but life is a little less COMPLICATED than we have made it as humans.

Just some things I wonder about.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Devin » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 09:57:44

:o Wow! Someone who believes that black people have smaller brains! (Forgive my excitement, I've never had the privilege to meet anyone with that particular brand of stupid before. :lol:) See: "Scientific" racism.

Eugenicists, cornucopians, and 19th century ethnologists oh my! The peak oil forums are a strange place.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 10:24:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaj', '[')b] through the education of women in the third world.


Women are only HALF the problem. *hint hint*


wow. Finally i found an adept of the theory stating that 100% of women can't be popped by 0.1% of men
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 10:31:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', 'i')t isn't about size, it's about how you use it (lol... this can be used in other contexts). your wisdom and ethics are non-existant, your brain is filled with crap, therefore you should not survive the die-off. :lol:

And if I decide that I will survive the die-off, what are you going to do about it? You've reverted once more to insults and to labeling. Perhaps you don't know it, but this is a standard liberal tactic - they do it to evade argument while trying to "look tough" to on-lookers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'N')ow wait a second, I thought the deal with brain size was the ratio of brain size to body mass, not absolute brain size.

That's correct.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')hat's why the whales and dolphins are not catching us in nets, right?

There's more to brain size involved in that. Dolphins could prevent humans from swimming in the oceans, if they were significantly more intelligent and got organized to do it. But they'd have trouble assailing us on land or in inland bodies of fresh water.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')omens' brains are usually smaller than mens', because on average women are smaller than men. That doesn't have anything to do with whether men or women are smarter, right? We had this debate like 100 years ago.

We have had a debate like this before. I've no idea why you have chosen to repeat it. Men are probably slightly more analytical than women. But women probably are somewhat more perceptive than men. The overall difference, if they is any, between the genders is probably not significant. (The overall difference between the races is very significant.)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'J')enab6, help me understand why men are not demonstrably more intelligent than women, if men on average have larger brains than women?
Because men also have more lean body mass than women do.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'A')lso, why did Neanderthal not do better in its competition with Cro-Magnon, since Neanderthal had a larger brain than Cro-Magnon?
He didn't. Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon both had brains in the 1500 cc range. Neanderthal had more lean body mass. Therefore, his brain to body mass ratio was less than that of Cro-Magnon. And there's a bit more involved than size. There's also complexity and specialization in the development of brain functions. Cro-Magnon probably was a better tool-maker than Neanderthal was, which suggests his analytical faculty was more acute.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')hy did human civilization take off AFTER Cro-Magnon's large brain was diluted through breeding with other species/races and their girly-man brains?
Cro-Magnon's brain was somewhat larger than those of modern Whites, and he made a tremendous number of strides from Stone Age primitive life toward civilization. Archaeologists have found traces of carvings, dies and paints, loom-woven linen cloth, pottery, and relatively advanced tools and weapons 25000 years ago, long before any such achievements were replicated in the Middle East by the civilizations better known to history. They did not, however, discover fossil fuels. They might have had the brains to out-do us, but they lacked the energy resources. Still, we probably would not be as far along as we are had we the misfortune to have had any other group as our ancestors.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'A')lso, what exactly is the purpose of higher intelligence, in your view? All it seems to have done for us thus far is permit us to treat our natural habitat like a cheap whore and develop a self-image that is comically delusional in its alternating sense of self-importance and self-loathing.
We're smart. But we're not smart enough. Wisdom is what gradually accumulates as intelligence fails to foresee painful unexpected consequences. The greater the intelligence, the shorter is the average time to wisdom for a given level of mastery of the environment. The major stumbling block, for us, seems to be greed, which is a facet of individualism. We value our individuality too much, our race not enough, and our future race not at all. This is the wrong set of priorities. Given a thousand years or so, a race having an average IQ of 100, a standard deviation in IQ of 15 points, and the use of fossil fuels for that much time might reach a level of wisdom permitting mastery of a planet without inflicting harm on the planet. But fossil fuels let us spoil the planet in only 10% of that much time. So, really, what we needed... wayy back in, say, 1940 or so, was a global eugenics program to increase the intelligence of the race to the point where the mean time to wisdom was shortened by the necessary extent. Unfortunately, this was not done. Thanks for asking.

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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 10:52:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')And if I decide that I will survive the die-off, what are you going to do about it?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'T')he major stumbling block, for us, seems to be greed, which is a facet of individualism.



And of course, Jerry determining to survive die-off isn't about Jerry, or Jerry's individuality, nor his greed for more life, but "for the good of the White Race" no doubt, and his superior genetics.


Jerry, you're just so darn special. :)
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Jenab6 » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 11:02:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')And if I decide that I will survive the die-off, what are you going to do about it?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', 'T')he major stumbling block, for us, seems to be greed, which is a facet of individualism.


And of course, Jerry determining to survive die-off isn't about Jerry, or Jerry's individuality, nor his greed for more life, but "for the good of the White Race" no doubt, and his superior genetics.

Jerry, you're just so darn special. :)

Anybody is entitled to try to survive without being judged greedy for the attempt. Greed is someone trying to exploit someone else for one's own ends. A man who survives by planting a garden in his yard isn't greedy. A man who survives by robbing from someone else's garden is. The two statements quoted are not necessarily in conflict.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 11:41:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', ':')o Wow! Someone who believes that black people have smaller brains! (Forgive my excitement, I've never had the privilege to meet anyone with that particular brand of stupid before. :lol:) See: "Scientific" racism.

Eugenicists, cornucopians, and 19th century ethnologists oh my! The peak oil forums are a strange place.


WOW! Finally I've met someone who can read AND doesn't know how arabic numbers correlate with each other!!
I won't tell you about existence of anthropology of course, since its a waste of letters, but here you can learn why brains of Negroids are smalller ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system

PS I just had a second though and decided that its a bit cruel to send someone to read an article with so many letters and unfamiliar numbers . Sorry-- I just had a silly idea that anyone with a half of a brain kn ows numbers, but apparently its not true.

So, to put it shortly for you, the brains of Negroids are smaller than ones of Caucasians because the number in which measured its volume, is smaller than a number in which measured brains of Caucasian people. I hope you will get it sometime.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby kakkerlak » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 11:46:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('freefall', 'A')n uneasy thought?

Who knows. If governments throughout the world are facing failure and collapse, then wouldn't a global cull be tempting?

Seven billion people is just not sustainable for a long time, so a few billion have to die at some point in time. But who?

People that live for generations in difficult places, like Africa, make the best chance to survive almost everything we or nature can throw at them. Survival of the fittest made sure of that. And honestly speaking they deserve to inherit the Earth anyway.

For Americans and Europeans it doesn't look that positive. Who says we're not the ones that have to go?

A global pandemic is going to hit the West harder then it can possible do to most other area's. Simply because in many other places people are already suffering/dying and one disease more or less doesn't matter much.

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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 11:56:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', ':')o Wow! Someone who believes that black people have smaller brains! (Forgive my excitement, I've never had the privilege to meet anyone with that particular brand of stupid before. :lol:) See: "Scientific" racism.

Eugenicists, cornucopians, and 19th century ethnologists oh my! The peak oil forums are a strange place.


Devin, you will enjoy picking Jenab6's brain if you are interested.

He has an interesting outlook on things.

But keep the ad hominem for now. The conversation will fall apart soon enough, but Jenab6 will do his best to explain the basis for his beliefs if you are interested in a COMPLETE explanation of his school of thought.

I have enjoyed reading his explanations of things, even if I don't agree with much of it. It's refreshing to hear someone explain a controversial belief without being shouted down by people who disagree.

The marketplace of ideas needs a certain degree of decorum to function properly (IMHO).
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 13:19:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')Anybody is entitled to try to survive without being judged greedy for the attempt. Greed is someone trying to exploit someone else for one's own ends. A man who survives by planting a garden in his yard isn't greedy. A man who survives by robbing from someone else's garden is.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')I propose a different sort of remedy to overpopulation, namely, war. ..
The land our soldiers take over will be theirs to settle,..They will be set to work creating a new generation of soldiers for another wave of conquest, in which our race supplants other races



Jerry definitely speaks for himself. There's sort of nothing else one can add.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 13:36:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', '
')Anybody is entitled to try to survive without being judged greedy for the attempt. Greed is someone trying to exploit someone else for one's own ends. A man who survives by planting a garden in his yard isn't greedy. A man who survives by robbing from someone else's garden is.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jenab6', ' ')I propose a different sort of remedy to overpopulation, namely, war. ..
The land our soldiers take over will be theirs to settle,..They will be set to work creating a new generation of soldiers for another wave of conquest, in which our race supplants other races



Jerry definitely speaks for himself. There's sort of nothing else one can add.


Every time I read Jenab6's posts I am reminded of David Duke being invited on shows and before he can get three sentences out people are all over him telling him how stupid he is.

What the liberals bludgeoning him don't appreciate, though, is that by not allowing him to make his arguments fully and THEN providing a thoughtful critique in response, it makes it look like his arguments are so strong he can't even be permitted to make them because they are utterly un-rebuttable.

I say let people make their case for whatever ideas they believe to be true. I will listen, and I will expect them to listem to me when I offer a critique.

Generally speaking, if parties to a discussion respect one another, more useful things will come from the discussion than if one or more parties to the discussion do not show respect for the other side. If the discussion comes to a true impasse, and it becomes necessary to start shooting to resolve the issue, at least the parties will know they gave discussion and negotiation a REAL chance to work. I think that any seasoned diplomat would agree with this idea that although not every dispute has a diplomatic solution, every dispute ought to at least have a chapter of civilized discussion before the shooting starts.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Ludi » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 13:42:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'l')iberals

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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Devin » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 15:38:47

I will grant that perhaps I was too quick to ad hominem, especially since a 20 minute search on brain volume --> "mongoloid, caucasoid, and negroid cranial capacity" didn't produce any data directly contradicting the data Jenab6 produced. What Jenab6's post immediately brought to mind was extremely flawed pseudoscience used to justify slavery and genocide in the 19th century. Seeing a similar pattern here, with the use of brain volume and mass to support racial superiority and eugenics, I committed a fallacy of my own and dismissed the data itself as dubious instead of the conclusions from the data. I still have serious doubts about methodology and accuracy and would need to see multiple sources cited, and wherever data is produced the inclusion of sample sizes AND the standard deviation, but I'm prepared to accept that the data produced here might be accurate. I will withhold until more rigor is demonstrated. Let's see some of those claims substantiated, Jerry.


As far as what conclusions might be drawn from such data, that's another matter entirely. Any notion of "superiority" is not and never will be supported by empirical data, as superiority by definition involves the placement of value and values are cultural, NOT empirical. Any injunction of superiority involves bias and interpretation and is not science. Calling it science and using it to support self-serving ideologies of hierarchy and eugenics is bullshit.

I find all of this very similar to arguing that humans are superior to other organisms on the basis of complexity, which involves using similarly flawed premises to reach a similarly flawed conclusion: "Complex organisms are superior to simpler organisms, humans are more complex than other organisms, thus humans are superior to other organisms." Or, consider another example: "People who beleive in God are morally superior to those who do not; Christians believe in God, thus Christians are morally superior to nonbelievers."

The logic is technically sound but the premises are constructs and thus unsupportable by experience or empirical observation. Anything unsupportable by experience or empirical observation falls into the realm of mythology, which has its place as long as it is acknowledged as mythology and isn't presented as Truth with a capital T. However, it never seems to work out like this and so invariably throughout history we see genocide, slavery, and massive ecological destruction happening under the banner of Truth and Righteousness.

Needless to say, I don't buy it -- from anyone, no matter how rigorous and accurate the data they use to "support" their so-called Truth might be.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 16:30:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', ':')o Wow! Someone who believes that black people have smaller brains! (Forgive my excitement, I've never had the privilege to meet anyone with that particular brand of stupid before. :lol:) See: "Scientific" racism.

Eugenicists, cornucopians, and 19th century ethnologists oh my! The peak oil forums are a strange place.


WOW! Finally I've met someone who can read AND doesn't know how arabic numbers correlate with each other!!
I won't tell you about existence of anthropology of course, since its a waste of letters, but here you can learn why brains of Negroids are smalller ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_system

PS I just had a second though and decided that its a bit cruel to send someone to read an article with so many letters and unfamiliar numbers . Sorry-- I just had a silly idea that anyone with a half of a brain kn ows numbers, but apparently its not true.

So, to put it shortly for you, the brains of Negroids are smaller than ones of Caucasians because the number in which measured its volume, is smaller than a number in which measured brains of Caucasian people. I hope you will get it sometime.


ad hominen and straw man attacks with no relevant citations, to defend a "scientific theory" of someone who wrote the conclusion before the hyphotesis. I can google this racist and his pet theories, but you're the one that is defending this bullshiter, so you should be the one to provide citations.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 16:35:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'l')iberals

:roll:


Sorry Ludi, I should have been clearer, I was still referring to my example of David Duke being shouted down on TV, and I have only seen liberals on such shows doing this.

I was not referring to all liberals, just people like Bill Maher and his dopey gang.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 16:41:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', 'A')s far as what conclusions might be drawn from such data, that's another matter entirely.


Would you say that's a gray matter?

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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby Devin » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 17:20:28

[smilie=eusa_doh.gif] TERRIBLE. WHY DID THAT MAKE ME LAUGH. [smilie=5crackup.gif]


Also, I did some research on Jerry... lol this guy is a white nationalist who thinks the burden of proof for the holocaust is on the Jews. 8O

I better see some SERIOUS rigor for that data. Including controls for socioeconomic status, nutrition, and any other potentially conflating variables. I will be astounded if he has it.
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Re: An uneasy thought?

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 14 Apr 2008, 17:24:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devin', '[')smilie=eusa_doh.gif] TERRIBLE. WHY DID THAT MAKE ME LAUGH. [smilie=5crackup.gif]


Also, I did some research on Jerry... lol this guy is a white nationalist who thinks the burden of proof for the holocaust is on the Jews. 8O

I better see some SERIOUS rigor for that data. Including controls for socioeconomic status, nutrition, and any other potentially conflating variables. I will be astounded if he has it.


You might want to start a new thread in the Open Forum for that one.

Call it "Jenab6 and the Rookie Talk Race."

That will be a good one.
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