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by **Specop_007** » Mon 14 Feb 2005, 23:18:32

Gun confiscation is Austrailia (Who says it never happens)Article
"MORE than 40,000 weapons were seized in crackdowns across New South Wales, the state's police commissioner Ken Moroney said today.
Mr Moroney said NSW police carried out a big audit and compliance check of all firearms in NSW last year. He said the audit, combined with the NSW Government's gun buyback, had seized 43,000 weapons, most of which were firearms. In total, 185,000 licensed firearm holders were identified, holding about 600,000 registered firearms between them, he said.
Mr Moroney said that, as part of the blitz, thousands of weapons were destroyed because police were not satisfied that the firearms were being kept securely, or that "possession of that firearm was necessarily further warranted"."
So, gun confiscation never happens eh? Thats how it starts, They take your guns under the pretense of "making a safer place", then They can get away with whatever They want becuase you have nothing to fight back with.
Dirty f*ckin pr*cks.

by **basketballjones** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 00:08:45

don't make the mistake of confusing Australia with America.

Australia's motives for gun confiscation is tied to our very strict gun laws. I also don't think Australia will slide down the fascism slop anywhere near as quickly as the US will in the next few years.

by **Specop_007** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 00:31:36

I'm not talking about Australia, just gun confiscations in general. Its happened in Britian, Germany, Australia. The Man does NOT want us peasants to have guns.
With guns your a citizen
Without guns your a peasant

Nothing more, nothing less.

by **Chocky** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 01:01:35

That round of gun confiscations wasn't so bad. I got to keep my Glock 34 and my Ruger Mk I. I had to replace the 17 round mags for the Glock with 10 round ones though. :shock:

by **Specop_007** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 01:07:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', 'T')hat round of gun confiscations wasn't so bad. I got to keep my Glock 34 and my Ruger Mk I. I had to replace the 17 round mags for the Glock with 10 round ones though. :shock:

by **Chocky** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 02:42:34

They knew I had 17 shot mags because they were the only kind that were sold until now, apart from the 33 shot mags. That was based on trust though- they weren't really hunting for magazines, you were just trusted to hand all the old ones in.

The deciding factors were barrel length and caliber. 9mm OK- .40 and above, not ok. ~5" barrel ok- shorter, not ok. I also have to go to the range 14 times a year, and use both guns at some stage, in an organised competition. This is recorded on a card that is returned to the police at the end of each year. If I don't do that, then they figure I don't really need them for sport after all and I have to dispose of them.

I had to take my guns to the police station where the barrel length was measured and the calibers verified, even though they were already registered (handguns have been registered in Australia since the 1930's). People with .40 caliber glocks, compact pistols, 1911s, and so on, had to sell them to the government, for a fairly good price.

I also have to prove why I 'need' more handguns, previously you could just have as many as would fit into your safes

. Now they say 4-5 is enough, of different types ie a .22, a revolver, an air pistol, a black powder revolver, and a semi-auto.

One part of the law that you would probably find strange in the US is that the police can come to your house at any 'reasonable time' to inspect your guns, without a warrant. I think they need to make an appointment, they don't always seem to though. In reality they will only do this if someone complains about you shooting around your property or something like that.

All the guns that were sold to the government were melted down, the whole excercise cost the government $100 million and destroyed about 60,000 handguns across Australia. About 25% of pistol shooters quit for good and sold ALL their pistols, even still legal ones, to the government.

I am not aware of anyone who didn't comply with the new laws, nor was this raised as a possible option by anyone.

by **Specop_007** » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 03:47:52

Thanks chocky, I appreciate it! Interesting to see how it really went down, naturally with the little info I had I assumed it was a *BANG BANG BANG* on the door *GIVE US ALL OF VEE GUNS YOU HAF!!*
Still sounds like bullshit to me that they did it, and I dont agree with it but nice to see it wasnt as Gestapo-ish as I had thought it might be.

by **rallyman** » Thu 17 Feb 2005, 06:08:41

Uhhh, I don't know bout that specop, sounds sorta gestapoish to me no matter how you paint it......

by **Chocky** » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 03:50:55

Not gestapo-like at all actually. The police were very respectful, polite and almost apologetic the whole way through. The directions are coming from the Federal Government, particularly our gun-hating prime minister who publically said that he 'hated guns' and doesn't think ordinary people should have them at all. Left to their own devices the Police would never bother with this kind of crap. If you want gestapo look at the BATF. Entrapment, actively pursuing people on technical violations of the law and nothing else, and murdering people, at least we don't have to put up with that in Australia.

by **jato** » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 03:55:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he police were very respectful, polite and almost apologetic the whole way through.

by **rallyman** » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 10:27:41

Sorry Chocky, but, doesn't matter how much they smile at you when they're doing you wrong, the end result is still the same....As Jato said, we may have the BATF, but, we don't have them running around seizing 60k + firearms in a big sweep either. And it doesn't really matter, as Nuremberg showed, whether it's the officers or the PM.....

by **k_semler** » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 14:29:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat being said, I would prefer a world without the BATF.

by **Chocky** » Sat 19 Feb 2005, 02:34:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ervice with a smile.

by **rallyman** » Sat 19 Feb 2005, 19:30:14

Chocky wrote: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')If the police follow orders like that, you can't hold it against them. The people that make the policy on the other hand...

by **Chocky** » Sun 20 Feb 2005, 07:00:21

Yes, I think you are correct. In Australia, I don't think there can be such a thing as an illegal law. Our constitution is not worth a pinch of shit in this regard, as the only right it guarantees is freedom of religion. It is also implied that people have a right to trial by jury.

You see, in Australia, we had a culture quite similiar to the US, only none of it was actually enshrined in law as in a bill of rights. So it was implied that we had freedom of speech, and people acted like we did, but there was nothing to stop laws being passed that infringed on freedom of speech. Likewise, gun ownership was at one time so widespread and unimpeded that we almost had a defacto right to bear arms. Some states had the equivalent of class III and concealed carry for instance, only these rights were not protected by anything so they could be easily changed or revoked.

I guess the US founding fathers were way smarter than the Australian ones. But how useful is the bill of rights, really? From my limited knowledge of American history, a lot of the rights seemed to get ignored fairly frequently. And you could hardly say that the rights of citizens of Washington DC to bear arms aren't being infringed. Or New York city, etc.

by **rallyman** » Sun 20 Feb 2005, 20:10:07

Absolutely right Chocky! As for the poor denizens of DC or NYC....you get what you ask for I suppose....again the argument about the minority wishes, etc. I think the fact is that if no one cares about the loss of a 'Right', then it can go silently into the night....but when someone does care, that is when the fight is on....so, I believe (hope?) that if a nationwide confiscation/ban/who-knows-what was attempted, then I think the S would HTF.....dunno for sure, but I can hope....

by **OilsNotWell** » Wed 27 Apr 2005, 01:47:40

A lot has been written on this topic, but here's one that relates to PO fairly directly...

Gold-Silver Confiscation

Here's a snippet:

You $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')elieve the fiat money system is doomed? Welcome to the event that will really kick it in the teeth.

The dynamics of this are complex as inflationary and occasional deflationary forces blow hot and cold. Demand destruction balances and creates temporary supply relief but recession and eventually depression are increasingly undesirable bedfellows. Welcome to the new era of investing. Welcome to a world of uncertainty and confusion.

Enter gold and silver.

Remember my super tanker analogy? For a rough guide as to how things will pan out, just run the last 100 years in reverse. Think back in economic history about all the major monetary events of that period. Fiat money, oil and dollar crises, Bretton Woods, illegal ownership of gold, major wars, nationalisation of silver and all the way back to a gold or bimetallic standard.

by **jato** » Wed 27 Apr 2005, 02:01:40

A good find. Too bad I can't even afford gold or silver. :cry:

by **KiddieKorral** » Wed 27 Apr 2005, 10:18:52

I'm sure you can afford small amounts of silver; it's really not that expensive in the scheme of things. If I can afford a bit of silver, anyone can.

by **Tyler_JC** » Wed 27 Apr 2005, 15:10:31

You can have my silver when you pry it from my cold dead hand...

Now I just need to get a gun and some silver to back that up

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