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I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby funzone36 » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 20:49:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')rojected global oil product demand in 2008 is little changed at
87.5 mb/d, with downward pressures from weaker economic growth
in the OECD mostly offset by stronger FSU projections. Historical
baseline revisions lift 2006 demand, but in 2007 are more than offset
by a weaker-than-expected 4Q07 in the OECD and data revisions to
several non-OECD countries.
• Global oil supply increased by 185 kb/d in February to 87.5 mb/d with
higher January OPEC crude supplies lifting the base. Output recovery in
Canada, Mexico and the Caspian republics offset reductions for Norway
and OPEC in February. Seasonal limits on OECD production and steady
OPEC output may flatten global supply over the next two months.

http://omrpublic.iea.org/currentissues/full.pdf

Date: March 11, 2008.
Source: International Energy Agency


Notice that world demand = world supply, if not world demand > world supply. Also notice how Russian oil production are already falling. Sigh.........................................
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby Ainan » Sun 06 Apr 2008, 10:00:32

I still think there is a chance we could see another peak in the next few years with all the mega projects coming online. Of course this could be offset by declines in other fields by then. Either way it does not matter, production will not go up significantly and we are on a plateau. Lets hope it lasts several more years, enough time to bring in real efficiency improvements and get myself out of hot water...
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby funzone36 » Sun 06 Apr 2008, 11:25:14

Most megaprojects are unconventional oil fields as we haven't discovered a huge conventional oil field since the 1960s. The wikipedia page has all those numbers in thousands of barrels a day. Only Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan has any significant spare capacity left with a 1108 thousand and 1010 thousands barrels a day megaproject respectively, though even that's not big enough as it's smaller than the output of the tar sands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Megapr ... ct_summary

They're just projected oil supply growth. No guarantees. But if history proves anything, they're mostly overstated.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby Kingcoal » Sun 06 Apr 2008, 11:32:59

I think that light sweet has definitely peaked. The double wammy is that lower grades are selling at historical prices and those grades are more expensive to refine. At the same time, there is a popular movement to stick it to the oil companies. A perfect storm and it should get worse.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby funzone36 » Sun 06 Apr 2008, 22:05:11

Exactly. EIA statistics:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o how much crude + condensate has the world been producing lately? According to the EIA, In 2005, crude + condensate production maxed out at 74.3 million barrels per day. Since then, according to EIA figures through October of 2007, crude + condensate production has never again reached such a high number. Many in the Peak Oil camp, including Matthew Simmons and Boone Pickens, state that we may well have seen the peak in world oil production in 2005 and they point to the crude + condensate production level as evidence.

http://peakoil.blogspot.com/2008/02/as- ... -peak.html

In 2005, crude oil has peaked. But now, all liquids together are peaking.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby hornofhubris » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 14:03:29

If this is not it, then it is for sure the little wooden spoon taste
you get before the big double dipper of rocky road is put into
your cone and you pay up.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby skyemoor » Mon 07 Apr 2008, 14:36:55

A current peak is possible, but I'll hedge my bets with some of the heavyweight oil experts (Simmons, Campbell, Skrebowskie, etc) who tend to fall in the 2010-2012 timeframe.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby The_Virginian » Tue 08 Apr 2008, 01:33:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ainan', 'I') still think there is a chance we could see another peak in the next few years with all the mega projects coming online. Of course this could be offset by declines in other fields by then. Either way it does not matter, production will not go up significantly and we are on a plateau. Lets hope it lasts several more years, enough time to bring in real efficiency improvements and get myself out of hot water...



Some very well respected PO.com posters were saying that 2 years ago...look where we are now.

I was likely the least important of all those clamoring to crown 2005 as Peak conventional (Cheap) oil.

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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby funzone36 » Tue 08 Apr 2008, 21:10:43

A more detailed research can indicate why the peak of all liquids isn't too significant at all in terms of gasoline production.

We're relying increasingly on heavy, sour crude oil.
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http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 ... _sour.html

More details:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew sources of oil supply are heavier varieties, which make up about 70 percent of global oil output, according to data compiled by Eni in June 2004.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/20/ ... refine.php

Most important:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd, while there's plenty of heavy sour crude, a barrel of heavy sour crude yields about a third less gasoline than does a barrel of sweet light crude.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/In ... lGlut.aspx

Finally, a lot of refineries simply cannot process heavy, crude oil.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 02:30:49

Yeah, and that sour, sulfery, acidic, low grade stuff is wreaking havoc on the equipment in refineries and on pipelines. Just visit the refinery closings thread sometime to see.

Of course leaks and explosions only further increase the price and decrease the reliability of supply.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby funzone36 » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 19:25:39

Just like I predicted, the new IEA report that came out just today has this to say:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude futures set new records above $110/bbl in early April, driven by
tight distillate markets, strong non-OECD imports and a weaker dollar.
Refining margins remain extremely volatile, reverting into positive
territory in recent weeks following a large US gasoline stock draw,
which has tightened regional supplies.
• Global oil product demand has been revised down by 310 kb/d in 2008
to 87.2 mb/d following the downgrading of global GDP prospects by the
IMF, coupled with a change in FSU methodology and baseline data
revisions. By the same token, 2007 demand is up by 140 kb/d over last
month’s report to 86.0 mb/d. As a result of these divergent shifts, demand
growth in 2008 is now expected at almost 1.3 mb/d or 1.5% over 2007.
• Global oil supply fell by 100 kb/d in March to 87.3 mb/d, led by lower
supplies last month from OPEC, the North Sea and non-OPEC Africa.
Non-OPEC supply growth in 2008 is trimmed to 815 kb/d on a broad
swathe of adjustments in the Americas, Africa and Europe.
• OPEC crude supply fell by 265 kb/d in March to 32.1 mb/d, on field
maintenance in UAE, Nigeria and Venezuela. Pipeline/power outages
highlighted ongoing risks to production in Iraq and Nigeria amid
effective spare capacity of just 2.3 mb/d. Weaker economic growth cuts
the 2008 call on OPEC by 0.3 mb/d to 31.6 mb/d.
• OECD total industry stocks fell by 48.9 mb in February, to 2,579 mb,
offsetting a similar rise in January. The February draw leaves inventories
At 53.3 days of forward demand. With preliminary data indicating a
build of just 6.3 mb in March, OECD end-1Q08 stocks remain close to
end-December levels.
• Global refinery throughput weakened in March, as poor margins
curbed crude runs in all OECD regions. Estimated 1Q08 global
throughput is unchanged at 74.0 mb/d. However, 2Q08 estimates have
been cut by 0.2 mb/d to 73.7 mb/d, in line with weaker demand.

http://omrpublic.iea.org/currentissues/high.pdf

I can't imagine total liquids production to be higher than 87.5 million barrels per day especially when the IMF is downgrading GDP growth prospects.
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Re: I can confidently say that we must be at Peak Oil.

Unread postby Gandalf_the_White » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 19:46:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('funzone36', 'A') more detailed research can indicate why the peak of all liquids isn't too significant at all in terms of gasoline production.

We're relying increasingly on heavy, sour crude oil.
Image
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 ... _sour.html

More details:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew sources of oil supply are heavier varieties, which make up about 70 percent of global oil output, according to data compiled by Eni in June 2004.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/20/ ... refine.php

Most important:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd, while there's plenty of heavy sour crude, a barrel of heavy sour crude yields about a third less gasoline than does a barrel of sweet light crude.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/In ... lGlut.aspx

Finally, a lot of refineries simply cannot process heavy, crude oil.


Yup [spit]

We used to talk about that partickler aspect as netoil. It was hot around here for a while and then we sort of stopped talking about it. The goose is cooked. The saudi's back in the 80's cranked out 10 mbpd for a while so techincally they peaked way back when. If we all wanted to damage our fields we could come up with an extra 4 or 5 million barrels a day for a short time, just to destroy the psychology of a 2005 peak. Honestly though is it worth it?

Let's just get to getting off oil as reasonably and as quickly as possible. All this futzing and fussing is just a waste of time.
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