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Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Kylon » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 22:55:40

I mean, it's as clear as day obvious that's the only way we won't have a complete and total economic collapse.

Are they trying to cause the U.S economy to collapse?
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 23:43:45

Last time I checked the government wasn't in the business of building power plants of any type. If private investors want to put a nuclear plant online that is certainly their business. The government will be happy to look at their plans and approve them or suggest where changes need to be made.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 01:11:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'L')ast time I checked the government wasn't in the business of building power plants of any type. If private investors want to put a nuclear plant online that is certainly their business. The government will be happy to look at their plans and approve them or suggest where changes need to be made.



And then luddite environmental groups will sue and litigate and appeal and sue again to block construction for as long as takes to make the power company and the construction companies give up.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby mos6507 » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 02:05:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'L')ast time I checked the government wasn't in the business of building power plants of any type. If private investors want to put a nuclear plant online that is certainly their business. The government will be happy to look at their plans and approve them or suggest where changes need to be made.


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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 02:12:01

Don't forget, Kylon, uranium is a finite and expensive material as well. Even if the 10 year, $200 million court battle against the environmentalists is won, you're still going to have to find the materials and skilled labour to build and operate the plant.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Kylon » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 06:37:26

For materials we can always breed more uranium from thorium, and for plutonium from U-238.


As for labor, as industries dry up requiring similar skill sets, people from those industries can be quickly retrained to become nuclear technicians.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby jlw61 » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 08:43:10

That's a really good question and you've gotten some really good answers. So let's check motivation. Why doesn't the US governement simply put a waiver on the industry and make it virtually impossible for the environment et al groups to take the battle to court? Such a move would virtually eliminate four or more years and hundreds of millions of dollars in building a plant.

I see two reasons, either the Federal Government is this large over-encompassing evil organization that want us all to suffer ...

... or it's this big, massive pig that is scared of every group that can raise their voices and a few million dollars in donations because the individual members are afraid of losing their job.

Government does two things really well: Spend money and project force. The elected officials, as individuals can only collect money and votes for their next reelection. They want to stay elected and therefor they will do nearly anything to stay elected. So if you want lots of nuclear power, you have to start a movement that will overshadow the groups that exist who oppose it.

The anti-nukes are loud and obnoxious and threaten the elected officials with their groups while the rest of us sit quietly and mind our business and wonder why the electric rates continue to go up.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 09:35:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', 'T')hat's a really good question and you've gotten some really good answers. So let's check motivation. Why doesn't the US governement simply put a waiver on the industry and make it virtually impossible for the environment et al groups to take the battle to court? Such a move would virtually eliminate four or more years and hundreds of millions of dollars in building a plant.

I see two reasons, either the Federal Government is this large over-encompassing evil organization that want us all to suffer ...

... or it's this big, massive pig that is scared of every group that can raise their voices and a few million dollars in donations because the individual members are afraid of losing their job.

Government does two things really well: Spend money and project force. The elected officials, as individuals can only collect money and votes for their next reelection. They want to stay elected and therefor they will do nearly anything to stay elected. So if you want lots of nuclear power, you have to start a movement that will overshadow the groups that exist who oppose it.

The anti-nukes are loud and obnoxious and threaten the elected officials with their groups while the rest of us sit quietly and mind our business and wonder why the electric rates continue to go up.


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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 10:55:05

Oh those damn environmentalists! It's all their fault! They want us all to DIE!
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 11:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'O')h those damn environmentalists! It's all their fault! They want us all to DIE!


Ludi I consider myself to be an environmentalist, but the statement you made would apply to a lot of the people I have met over the years who are calling themselves Environmentalists. The truth is a lot of people wearing that lable do hate human beings and everything about them.

I am the kind of Environmentalist who supports clean air and clean water and less waste and more conservation. I don't want anyone to have to die in a big catastrophe or fall of our current civilization. I think GW is a huge problem as is PO, but I do not believe the solution is a massive die-off or kill-off of human population. A lot of the people on this forum disagree with me.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:11:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he truth is a lot of people wearing that lable do hate human beings and everything about them.


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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:20:02

I wonder why Mexico doesn't build a bunch of nuclear power plants along the U.S. border and sell all that cheap electricity to the gringos.

Build one at Nuevo Laredo, Juarez, along the Arizona border and in Tijuana.

But you know what, the prospect of a bunch of Mexicans operating nuclear power plants troubles me. I know that sounds terrible, but it's not the Mexicans I am concerned about so much as their incredibly corrupt government.

I am picturing south Padre Island downwind from a meltdown at the Matamoros reactor. They would call the disaster "Tres Mile Island."
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby POAlex » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:21:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')re they trying to cause the U.S economy to collapse?


A good question. You'd have to look at who would benefit from such a situation.

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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:21:27

There's not enough water in that region to support typical nuke plants.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:30:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he truth is a lot of people wearing that lable do hate human beings and everything about them.


Population reduction begins at home.


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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 12:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')here's not enough water in that region to support typical nuke plants.


Matamoros and Tijuana would have oceans to pull cooling water from.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 14:10:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', '.').. let's check motivation. Why doesn't the US governement simply put a waiver on the industry and make it virtually impossible for the environment et al groups to take the battle to court?

The anti-nukes are loud and obnoxious and threaten the elected officials with their groups while the rest of us sit quietly and mind our business and wonder why the electric rates continue to go up.


The liberal luddite anti-nukes folks are part and parcel of the democratic party base, and the democrats control the mainstream media and the Congress and soon will control the White House. The MSM media has demonized nuclear power and the Congressional democrats now in power oppose nukes themselves and are far more likely to pass new taxes and laws blocking any new nukes then to pass waivers to stop other liberals from using the courts to block nukes.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 14:59:54

Luddites, liberals, and NIMBYs are far from the only things holding back nuclear power builds - remember the Washington Public Power Supply System, better known as WPPSS (i.e., "Woops")? 2.25 billion dollar bond default, one reactor out of five actually built. Quite the boondoggle.

TOD has had innumerable articles on nukes, including a brand new one this morning, Continuing the Nuclear Debate. You can get the scoop from every imaginable angle reading those.

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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 15:13:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'L')uddites, liberals, and NIMBYs are far from the only things holding back nuclear power builds - remember the Washington Public Power Supply System, better known as WPPSS (i.e., "Woops")? 2.25 billion dollar bond default, one reactor out of five actually built. Quite the boondoggle.



But the reason four out of the five failed to be completed was court challenges coupled with regulatory ratcheting. Every time they started making progress the psuedo-green luddites took them to court and when that failed they had friends in high places pressure the AEC and then the NRC to increase regulations. Without a stable design there is no way to build on time and on budget. Eventually WPPSS threw in the towel and cancelled, which is a damn shame. Because they cancelled all those plants CA had to build a shitload of NG fired peaking plants in the 1990's, and NG is now the most expensive way to make electricity.
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Re: Why Doesn't The Government Ramp Up Nuclear?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 05 Apr 2008, 15:31:47

I blame Greenpeace, the Earth Liberation Front, and the rest of the radicals.

They believe that we can simply conserve and build solar panels to fix all of our problems.

But if we ever build solar power on the scale they're talking about, they would oppose it!!!!

Can I have permission to slap these people every time they try to get me to sign one of their stupid petitions to ban the use of nuclear power?

70% of radioactive waste comes from America's nuclear WEAPONS program, not the commercial power stations.

To the previous poster, yes, the Radical Environmentalists DO want us to die.

Read this forum. Read the kind of language that some use to describe human beings, "virus, scourge of planet earth, population reduction starts at home, greedy bacteria, etc., etc."

The radical environmentalists are the enemy of nuclear power and civilization in general .

Good luck building a nuclear plant while these people are still willing to commit domestic terrorism to stop it.
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