[Eli]

Ludi,
I am denouncing what they stand for and what they are doing, but I am now entering a depressive funk because I think that they are going to be able to complete their plan.

I can foresee that the time will come when everyone on the planet will only be able to buy or sell with their blessing.

[Ludi]

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')alt, sugar, soda, aged spirits will last indefintely. Honey, red wine, will last many times more than the time you'll live, to name a few.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')alt, sugar, soda, aged spirits will last indefintely. Honey, red wine, will last many times more than the time you'll live, to name a few.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') can foresee that the time will come when everyone on the planet will only be able to buy or sell with their blessing.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') can foresee that the time will come when everyone on the planet will only be able to buy or sell with their blessing.

[Eli]

Mmasters has the answer why did they form the Fed in the first place?

Power and control, they already had money they wanted all the power too.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I think Zardos' point is that though they may desire more and more power, they will not be able to achieve it. It will slip like sand through their fingers into the abyss of chaos. I agree with that if I'm right about Z's idea. They will be like the elites on Easter Island. Another way to put it is that John Jacob Astor went down with the Titanic right along with the poor folks in steeraqe.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'M')masters has the answer why did they form the Fed in the first place?

Power and control, they already had money they wanted all the power too.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') think Zardoz's point is that though they may desire more and more power, they will not be able to achieve it. It will slip like sand through their fingers into the abyss of chaos...

[Eli]

I think you both are missing the point, yeah the world will go through hell and it will be chaos for almost everyone. But these are going to be the people that are going to offer order and stability.

When everyone is scared and the world is upside down for all of us they will come into full power offering solutions.

Look at the donor lists of nearly every member of Wall St. and you will see that Fed member banks are at the top of the list. And the chaos that you speak of is the opportunity they have longed for and helped create.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>Another way to put it is that John Jacob Astor went down with the Titanic right along with the poor folks in steeraqe.</i>

Yes, but you notice, they locked the gates until the rich had filled all the lifeboats.

Not all the wealthy survived, but a much higher percentage than those from steerage.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '
')Yes, but you notice, they locked the gates until the rich had filled all the lifeboats.

Not all the wealthy survived, but a much higher percentage than those from steerage.

[Kaj]

Alrights guys, motivational speech.
Probably you will all hate me for this, but here I go.

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I really like the community here, and I am often awed by the intelligence of the posts I see, on a diverse range of topics. But I am saddened by the propensity of fatalism that perforates. It is precisely the intelligence displayed here that is sorely needed in the world, but many here advise to stay low, or tell stories of despair.

Its a malady that afflicts intelligent people because they often see the world systemically for the cruelty that really exists. When you see the world clearly, and others around you don't, you can feel isolated. It can make you feel pessimistic, and ultimately apathetic. For those who explore the darkness that surrounds banking concentration, and power in general, this feeling of helplessness is particularly striking.

The key is not optimism, or pessimism, but activism. The best way to predict the future is to create the future (in your little way, I'm not trying to be too grandiose). There is always something we can do. Write a blog, newsletter, write a speech, or write to a representative or the media (they are interested because they need to know what concerns the public for their own agendas). Meet regularly with friends to study a particular topic. Develop your knowlege together. Form a pressure group. Hit the streets. This is how all change happens, and there has been a lot of change in this world for the good.

Of course activism etc. is never easy. Its frustrating. But it is rewarding too. And its, frankly, essential.

(In a small way, posting at PO.com is serving such a public service, by disseminating lots of useful discussion).

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I am aware that the world is in a dire situation. Power is concentrated like never before. But here is why I think there is room for optimism.

People tolerate and rationalise away the steady erosion of democracy, and the concentration of wealth and power while
1) The toys continue to get shinier
2) They are not denied acess to basic necessities
3) Voodoo-infinite-growth-economic rationalisations continue to confuse people to support institutions that are working against them (banks etc.)

We are used to seeing apathy in the Western precisely because of those things.
But we know those things are going to end. People are going to suffer. People are going to get hungry. Those are preconditions for revolution. It will deligitimise the powers that be. Public opinion will shift. People will start listening to arguments like the ones posted here. They will look for alternative economic models. Public opinion is everything.
The American public already feels extremely isolated from the elites. They know deep down that their interests are not really being looked to. That is why voting turn out is so low. Polls consistently show that the public are to the left of both parties- anti-war, pro-environmental, pro-comprehensive healthcare etc.

Public opinion in much of the Third World already views Western institutions with extreme skepticism, as they're already living with the results. We're probably talking about a 1/3 of the world here. They already view the IMF etc. as conspiracies against them, and often they protest in the thousands.
Wait till economic slowdown really kicks in.

Its a battle of ideas the that the PTB still haven't won, even though they say they have. And Eli you are right that spreading the word itself is an important act of resistence. Don't underestimate it. The elites have powerful institutions of propaganda at their disposal, but the best mass media is the masses themselves, because deep down we trust other people on our level over powerful people.

The key is for people with alternative ideas to be ready.
The disaster capitalists will be in waiting to manipulate the shock, but the more they try to stuff in their sacks, the more those sacks are going to fray, the more outraged people will be. We need to be ready and confident to influence the debate in those chaotic times when the world can move in any number of directions.

[Cid_Yama]

<i>Write a blog</i>

I do.

The Post Peak Oil Historian

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f you want to screw the bank, file bankruptcy.

[Jenab6]

For research into the deception in the Federal Reserve and its interest bearing debt money system.

Hilaire Belloc.
Economics for Helen, London, 1938, chapter on "Usury."
The Jews, 2nd edition, Constable, 1937.
Monarchy, A Study of Louis XIV, Cassel, 1938, Preface, pp. Vii and Viii, and the chapter entitled "Monarchy," pp. 3-17.

A.K. Chesterson.
The New Unhappy Lords, An Exposure of Power Politics, 4th revised and expanded edition, 1972, Britons Publishing Company.

A.N. Field.
All These Things, Nelson, New Zealand, 1936; reprinted by Omni Publications, 1963.

Jeffrey Mark.
The Modern Idolatry, An Analysis of Usury and the Pathology of Debt, Chatto & Windus, 1934.

Gertrude M. Coogan.
Money Creators, Sound Money Press, Chicago, 1935.

Robert McNair Wilson.
Promise To Pay, An Inquiry into the Principles and Practice of the Latter-Day Magic Called Sometimes High Finance, Routledge, 1934.
Monarchy or Money Power, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1933.
The Mind of Napoleon, Routledge, 1934.

Ezra Pound.
Impact, Regnery, 1960.

John R. Elsom.
Lightning over the Treasure Building, Meador, Boston.

Christopher Hollis.
The Breakdown of Money, An Historical Explanation, Scheed & Ward, 1934.
The Two Nations, A Financial Study of English History, Routledge, 1935.

Sir Arthur Kitson.
The Bankers Conspiracy Which Started the World Crisis, Elliot Stock, London, 1933.
A Fraudulent Standard, 1917; reprinted by Omni in 1972.
A Scientific Solution to the Money Question, Boston 1894.

Selected quotes by Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Henry Ford, and Thomas A. Edison are also revealing in connection with the Jewish instigation of the American Civil War and their establishment of the Federal Reserve as a stealth central bank to be run for their own profit to the detriment of the American people.

Louis T. McFadden.
Collected Speeches (before Congress). He was involved in an early expose of the treason and corruption pertaining to the Federal Reserve System when he was assassinated.

Eustace Mullins.
The Federal Reserve Conspiracy, Kaspar & Horton, New York, 1952.

H.S. Kenan.
The Federal Reserve Bank, Noontide, 1969.

Vincent Vickers.
Economic Tribulation, John Lane, 1941. Omni reprint, 1960.

Gary Allen.
None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Concord Press, Seal Beach, CA.
"The Bankers" and "The Federal Reserve," both articles originally published in American Opinion magazine, reprinted as one booklet by Western Islands, Belmont, MA, 1970.

C.H. Douglas.
Social Credit, Omni reprint.
The Brief for the Prosecution, K.R.P. Publications, Liverpool, 1945.

Silvio Gesell.
The Natural Economic Order, Free Economy Publishing Company, Huntington Park, CA.

Frederick Soddy.
Wealth, Virtual Wealth, and Debt, Dutton, 1933.
The Role of Money, Harcourt, 1935.

William G. Simpson.
Which Way Western Man, Chapter 19, part C "The Jews," esp. sections 2-11, National Vanguard Books, Hillsboro, WV, 2003.

Jerry Abbott

[Jenab6]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'B')TW, lest we forget, we 'Murikans are in possession of something in the neighborhood of 300,000,000 guns.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Jews, 2nd edition, Constable, 1937.

[oliveoil]

I think the bankers have won... its too late. They have more information and recruit very intelligent people and do their actions with long term planning and very systematically. Most of us cannot even understand the problem even when faced with most of the facts. Most people are just too exhausted from work to be able to put in any mental effort to understand the problem.

The way I see it, they will consolidate their power within the next couple of decades and then things may turn nasty.

But all things reach a peak and then wither off. Their time of success may last for some hundreds of years, but after a time, their troopers will become cynical. Who will join the various enforcement agencies that will be needed to oppress the majority?

Even the leaders themselves may become corrupt and lazy within their own system and it will slowly deteriorate only to be replaced by another messed up system of organising human society.

But at the moment, they are in ascendancy and have a lot of momentum. I don;t think they will slip up.

Personally, I would stop worrying about changing anything as it will happen anyway. I can use my time to meditate, that's a place they cannot yet reach, the territory of my own mind!