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During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:08:49

I just saw something on youtube the guy is saying that if you had dollars in your hand during the great depression would would have actually made money and been better off is that true, I thought having metals like gold and silver was the answer.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Novus » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:36:25

Firstly welcome to PO.com it is always great to see new posters.

If you had dollars on hand during the Depression you would have made money because the Depression itself was deflationary. When the banks went bust cash became hard to come by and no financial institution was willing to make a loan so new cash was hard to come by. Gold and silver lost value as did oil and the cost of land. All could be had for a song in the Depression.

We may face a second great depression in the near future but I am not in the deflation camp in that regard.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby FoolYap » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:38:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', 'I') just saw something on youtube the guy is saying that if you had dollars in your hand during the great depression would would have actually made money and been better off is that true, I thought having metals like gold and silver was the answer.


Lest we forget, during the depression, US dollars were backed by gold, and US coinage mostly was silver. :razz:

I think what the YouTube guy meant was, cash in hand was hard to come by back then. Prices for most things plummeted, and employment and incomes fell. If you had cash, many things were possible. Simple dollars (or nickles, or cents) worked just fine; no need to have gold & silver bullion.

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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', '
')Lest we forget, during the depression, US dollars were backed by gold, and US coinage mostly was silver. :razz:
Right, gold that was seized/stolen from the American public in 1933.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:55:50

Thank you so far for the replies,
Ok so lets look forwards to now if their was a depression would it be good to have dollars in hand ? or gold and silver or even both. Im not in a position to beable to invest alot of money in the metals market nor can I just buy land somewhere and live off of it, Im 37 with a wife and children and just lost my job, im very worried but everything that is talked about on here.
I am very handy, as I have worked in construction along with some other industries of gerneral labor and such.
Savings is very limited and as I look for new work Im also trying to get prepared for the worse.
Im think that if I an my family can survive for the first year without any kind of outside help perhaps then there will be something left to do for the future.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 20:58:52

Also as for people that buy metal in the markets , they don't actually have anything tangable right so what's stopping someone or something from taking their metals ?
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 21:23:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', 'A')lso as for people that buy metal in the markets , they don't actually have anything tangable right so what's stopping someone or something from taking their metals ?
Back in the 30s, tangible gold was seized. If you tried to hide it and got caught it meant prison. Right now, in the Philippines, if you are a dealer in rice and the Government thinks you are hoarding it in hopes of greater profits you can get life in prison. The governments everywhere, including in the US, are going to come down like a ton of bricks on all forms of wealth.

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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Electric_Economy_2025 » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 22:40:11

Would having euro's or a asain currency be good to have in hand if the dollar crashes ?
If so which asian currency would be best.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 22:59:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', 'W')ould having euro's or a asain currency be good to have in hand if the dollar crashes ?
If so which asian currency would be best.
I'm betting on Mongolian Yak futures. When things get very cold and very dry, those are the critters you want to be invested in. Then again, Steppe horses are not a bad bet, as long as you aren't lactose intolerant.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Denny » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 23:07:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', 'I') just saw something on youtube the guy is saying that if you had dollars in your hand during the great depression would would have actually made money and been better off is that true, I thought having metals like gold and silver was the answer.


To finish off another poster's point, after the government seized the gold (though they paid for it, at $20 an ounce), they immediately revalued gold to $36 an ounce. So, the hoarders, though illegal, actually made out with gold. Maybe you'd have to smuggle it out of the country to sell it, but there is no denying gold went up in value far more than money did.

Incidentally, the law used to seize the gold was an obscure part of the "Trading with the Enemy Act" which came into force at the time of World War I. There was no specific Act passed by Congress empowering the administration to seize the gold in the context of the problems facing the U.S. in the the depression. It was akin to Roosevelt declaring the public who held gold were the enemy.

But, compared to commodities in general, those who held money came out way ahead, if in fact, their banks stayed in business or if their interest bearing securities met their repayment obligations.
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Apr 2008, 23:19:48

Of course, if you invest in Mongolian Yaks or Steppe horses, that's not the same thing as possession. After all, do you know how to milk a Steppe mare?
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby jboogy » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 00:09:49

Hi E.E.2025, Like Novus said ,'29 was deflationary, not enough dollars in circulation, prices low and good value for the dollar, and I second Novus in that this time around inflation is what's happening, dollars worth less and buying less every day, there is a chance (50%?) that we may even see hyper-inflation, meaning ,to me at least, that prices go up DAILY.
Our government, through the Fed, is putting dollars into circulation on a truly mind-boggling scale. This is being done for several reasons that need not be gone into now, suffice it to say the results will not be good for most of America.
If you want financial advice your best bet is to read as many of the finance related threads as you can, then base your decisions on what the consensus seems to be, there are many more here that are right than wrong, also check whiskey&gunpowder.com/ financialsenseonline.com/thesilverbearcafe.com, these sites overall have been ahead of the curve in seeing what's happening.

Personally I would get rid of dollars, diversification is always safe, some in commodities/precious metals/ small amount in a basket of foreign currency/ go long oil futures/inflation hedged bonds(Cheney likes these)and get some kind of income going, whatever is available until you find something you like. Good Luck
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby kpeavey » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 02:27:32

PMS wrote:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter all, do you know how to milk a Steppe mare?

I recall a government training film on exactly that subject:
1) Have your equipment at the ready, fully sanitized
2) Approach the Steppe Horse cautiously from the left side
3) In a soothing voice, speak to the animal, say things like "You are a good horse" or "You are a pretty horse"
4) Offer the thing a couple of drinks, take it out dancing, become One with the horse.
5) Apply 500 cc Sodium Pentabarbitol, Ketamin, or Ruhipnol, as needed.
6) Have your way with the beast, let it know who's the boss.
7) Say things like "Who's Your Daddy?" or "Head for the mountains"
8) With warm hands...

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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby oowolf » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 16:01:37

According to survival acres home blog (April 2) the US Govt is making huge purchases of bulk food. Probably NOT to feed us when tshtf!!!
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Re: During the 1930 depression what would have been...

Unread postby Pops » Fri 04 Apr 2008, 16:52:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Electric_Economy_2025', 'I') am very handy, as I have worked in construction along with some other industries of gerneral labor and such.

There is your answer.

Most aren't.

Put an ad in the local paper -
"I can save you money on your energy bills!"

Do weatherstripping, caulking, insulation.

Get a $20 infrared thermometer and show those less handy just where their heat is going.

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