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What do you think about this?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 10:06:12

Eight part series by Lindsey Williams, a chaplain for the Alaska oil fields in the 70's, shares what he learned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk (the first part of an eight part series, gets really interesting at part three)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '&')quot;Taste the sizzling fury of fajita skillet death you marauding zombie goon!"

First thing to ask: Cui bono?
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 23:40:13

Here's what I think as I view each part:

Part 1-Cornucopia
My brother had 2 dogs. I forget their names, so I'll call them Dan and Ann. Dan was smart, Ann was just a normal dog. My brother would put down 2 biscuits. Ann would start to nibble hers, Dan would run to bury his, then come back and take Ann's biscuit. Ann got nothing, Dan got both.

I am without a means of independently verifying the facts in this video. If they are true, it suggests that our leaders are more forward thinking than we give them credit for. We use up the rest of the worlds oil first, saving ours for when it is really expensive. We have the oil, they pay for it. We have the oil to operate our infrastructure, everyone else falls back to the stone age. This would be a means to place the US in a permanent position of power, dominating the rest of the world. It would all be ours.

The next step after that is using it all wisely, lest we repeat the mistakes of the past.

Part 2-TPTB Conspiracy
If the oil companies found the largest field in the world and were able to keep it a secret between them and the US govt, it's an ace in the hole for the US govt. It would amount to a secret weapon. If the Soviets knew about such a field, in 1976, the location would have been a point of interest. Cold war, invasion, undefended area and all that. Classifying such a find would be in order. At the time, Hubbert was already shown to be right, and we already had a taste of the future in the 1973 oil embargo. TPTB knew what was going on. If a large field was found, they needed it kept secret. They needed to bury their biscuit.

Part 3-Nitty Gritty
Ok, you have my attention. It is getting interesting.
date of the video is 1/14/07, he says California gas will be $4-5/gallon soon. His prediction is accurate, but I don't know what it is based upon.

Part 4-Shooting from the Hip
I'm gonna have to view this again.
How deep is this rabbit hole?

Part 5-Who Are They
this is becoming quite the suspense thriller

Part 6-Follow the Money
Getting longwinded.
So who is behind WBIMF?

Part 7-What's Next
makes sense

Part 8-Finale
Touchee
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 01:06:09

200 years' worth of oil on the North Slope??!! Give me a f#cking break. Try about five at current consumption rates.

I stopped after that; does he happen to mention the ecological disaster that burning such a quantity (if it were there) would engender?

Disinformation-spreading @ssholes like this should be drawn and quartered... :x :x :x

On a related note, here's a little something from someone who actually knows whereof he speaks:

John Perkins - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

I just recently finished his book by the same title, and I highly recommend it.
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 07:35:57

My figures say that 200 billion barrels at current rates of depletion would last a whole 6.37 years. sounds like a lot and it probably was back in the 1970's when this guy first heard this. but today...?
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 13:36:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')On a related note, here's a little something from someone who actually knows whereof he speaks:

John Perkins - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

I just recently finished his book by the same title, and I highly recommend it.

Interestingly enough, the speaker recommends this book near the ending.

I tend to reserve judgment on these things. Whether it's true or false I can't do a thing about it, but it's good to hear people's experiences, especially old guys like this who might not be around all that much longer (just from age, not being paranoid or nothin' :lol: )
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 13:38:50

kpeavey, I thought this was a good analysis.
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby joeltrout » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 13:52:47

I asked about this a little while ago and here are the responses to the topic.

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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 14:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', 'M')y figures say that 200 billion barrels at current rates of depletion would last a whole 6.37 years.


These kinds of calculations are silly. There is no way a major oilfield is going to "last" 6.37 years.

Your calculation makes the assumption that every other oil field in the US and the world stops producing and only one is used to supply every oil need in the US. In the real world, this isn't going to happen. There is no way that other oil fields and other countries are going to turn off every other oil source and just use this one until it is used up. In the real world, oil fields are progressively developed, and the oil is recovered over periods of several decades to, in some cases, more then a century.

NOTE: It seems unlikely that there are 200 billion barrels there to me. However, there are probably 20 billion or so in ANWR, and possibly larger amounts in Arctic Ocean shelf and Bering Sea, where almost no exploration has been done.
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby jlw61 » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 14:50:49

Questions from Movie One

How is it that the governor of Alaska knows something that nobody else seems to know?

So if Obama becomes president, gas will go down to under $1.50 a gallon?

Does anyone have a location on Google maps where we might see, on the north slope of Purdeau (sp?) bay, where we can find these 48 747 sized jet engines? I would imagine the satellite pictures would verify this.

How is it that NOBODY in congress has made such an investigation as he suggests? I would think that would make somebody's day.

How is it that HE is the only one smart enough to get this information out?

If ONLY he had some proof. Papers, maps, photocopies. How is it that HE can disseminate this information and not be killed like he says others fear?


Questions from Movie Two

He talks of all these (supposedly) evil people and can't bring himself to name any of them. It's just "they". Yet he knows them on a first name basis.

How many times are you going to push your books?

So you knew a senator who is so honest and wonderful and yet never called for an investigation like you suggested? Even after you invited him up to Alaska?

The senator knows he was lied to and NEVER pushed anything? Never caused a ruckus? Never started an investigation? There was only one honest senator in DC? (Actually, that's almost believable)

Questions from Movie Three

Still hawking that book?

Hmmmm... couldn't the government spill the beans and cause the price of oil to go drastically down and raise oil taxes so that they make double the tax revenues while making the American people really happy? I don't see a downside to that. The republicans would sweep into office for another 4 years. They are wasting a real opportunity here. The only reason for such a conspiracy is noted above and even then, I don't see how you could keep it quiet.


Sorry, this is too lame. I agree that this guy is full of it.
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Re: What do you think about this?

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 15:41:33

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Been discussed here before, too. Guy's flakier than the General Mills factory.
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