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Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 23:21:27

Wasn't it 5 billion years before the sun is supposed to go nova? Well, I've got news, that's not going to matter because in 3.5 billion years our galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy will collide. That cataclysm will wipe out whatever life there is on Earth at that time. If Andromeda hits the other side of the Milky Way, the Earth will be ejected out of its orbit into the frozen depths of space. If it hits our side the atmosphere and oceans will boil off. So eat, drink and be merry. :-D
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 23:39:34

Yes, Andromeda could pose a problem. Hopefully we have mastered a technology that will stop this collision from occurring. Hey, if technology can prevent oil depletion from harming us, stopping Andromeda should be easy, huh?.

Regardless, according to current theory, the sun is too large to become a nova (that's probably only for white dwarfs) and isn't large enough to become a supernova. It's most likely red giant for our star, unless something bonks into the sun and our plans get changed.

Sorry to be the one to break the nova news to you buddy.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 30 Mar 2008, 23:58:51

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Sorry to be the one to break the nova news to you buddy.
Oh yeah, red giant. I forgot, you're right. Well its irrelevant because Andromeda is headed our way! I don't think we'll send Bruce Willis out there to blow it up.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 04:49:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')asn't it 5 billion years before the sun is supposed to go nova? Well, I've got news, that's not going to matter because in 3.5 billion years our galaxy and the Andromeda Galaxy will collide. That cataclysm will wipe out whatever life there is on Earth at that time. If Andromeda hits the other side of the Milky Way, the Earth will be ejected out of its orbit into the frozen depths of space. If it hits our side the atmosphere and oceans will boil off. So eat, drink and be merry. :-D

Is is difficult to make predictions what would result out of such collision.
One may be quite sure that large elliptical galaxy would result out of that but fate of particular stellar systems are by no means certain.

If by-passing stars from Andromeda will miss Solar System by light years and galactic center of Andromeda will miss by tens of thousands light years, we may well survive intact, so Earth may end up not thrown out of current orbit or with only minimally altered orbit.
It is also possible that Solar System would end up intact but thrown out into deep space.
I do not see a direct threat to life on Earth in it (if life on Earth still exist 3.5 billion years from now on, what I doubt very much).

I think, dragging Solar System towards central regions of newly formed galaxy would be an ultimate doomsday scenario because planets would end up thrown out of orbits in such environment.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby Kingcoal » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 10:21:11

Worrying about things 3.5 billion years from now? At the rate we're going, no one will be around to have to worry about it.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:27:30

In some ways its kinda depressing knowing I wont be around to see the collision. Thats some epic level shit right there that makes oil depletion seem so utterly "so what".
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:35:11

3.5 billion years? Who cares? I'll be dead in 50 years. Our species will be doing good to make it through the next thousand without going extinct. Who cares if planets bonk into eachother once we're all gone?
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 16:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I')n some ways its kinda depressing knowing I wont be around to see the collision. Thats some epic level shit right there that makes oil depletion seem so utterly "so what".


Hi Spec. You can see wonderful pictures of what the galactic collision entails by looking at all the pictures

on this page.

There is so much empty space between stars it's quite likely individual planets, particularly inner planets such as Earth, may not be adversely affected by this majestic pending collision. To whomever is residing on Earth the event may go completely unnoticed.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby Opies » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 17:26:43

We are already experiencing a galactical crash, let alone in 3.5bn years. Apparently all them science folk have come to the conclusion we are actually from a dwarf galaxy called Sagittarius which is currently being 'eaten' by the much larger milky way. And apparently we have been 'eaten' already and are now part of a new galaxy, that being the milky way. I don't have a source for this, so take it with a grain of salt anyway.


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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby jboogy » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 18:37:51

Perhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you? And you can't "try" it for a couple hunnert' years, you make the choice and have to live with it.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 19:49:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'P')erhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you? And you can't "try" it for a couple hunnert' years, you make the choice and have to live with it.


NO WAY! I would hate that. What would you do when all other organisms are gone? You would go insane... kind of like that Stephen King story "the Jaunt" where that kid gets caught between the teleporters for what seems like millions of years and when he gets out, he goes crazy and claws his eyes out.

I'm content with somewhere betwenn 40-65 years with no afterlife.

Also, what would this hypothetical immortal do when the sun swallowed earth? Float around in space? What about if he gets sucked in a black hole? He just floats around for eternity in agonizing pain, because the hole crushes him, but he can't die? No thanks.

I'm grateful that I'm mortal.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:26:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'P')erhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you? And you can't "try" it for a couple hunnert' years, you make the choice and have to live with it.


You mean with different bodies? Then yes.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby bodigami » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 20:33:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'P')erhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you? And you can't "try" it for a couple hunnert' years, you make the choice and have to live with it.


NO WAY! I would hate that. What would you do when all other organisms are gone? You would go insane... kind of like that Stephen King story "the Jaunt" where that kid gets caught between the teleporters for what seems like millions of years and when he gets out, he goes crazy and claws his eyes out.

I'm content with somewhere betwenn 40-65 years with no afterlife.

Also, what would this hypothetical immortal do when the sun swallowed earth? Float around in space? What about if he gets sucked in a black hole? He just floats around for eternity in agonizing pain, because the hole crushes him, but he can't die? No thanks.

I'm grateful that I'm mortal.


If what is immortal is the soul, then after one death it will teleport to other place. And you have not even considered immaterial existence, which has only mind or consciousness. Living for eons can be quite a blessing... if you're in Nirvana. I've felt a glimpse of it, and I'm quite certain that this is the Path. While not meditating on jhannas, or being one with the respiration of the universe, then it will be nice to help those still in Samsara...

or I could be merged with Hunab Ku, while losing my "self" in the process... Or if the scientists are correct, then I can die with serenity, peace, dignity and love, and then my self will cease to exist and be lost in oblivion while the energy that made "me" transform into "other". I'm fine with all of this outcomes. :lol:

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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 31 Mar 2008, 22:51:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '3').5 billion years? Who cares? I'll be dead in 50 years. Our species will be doing good to make it through the next thousand without going extinct. Who cares if planets bonk into eachother once we're all gone?


See, it's that kind of apathy and resignation that keeps us from taking positive steps to confront this. If we don't take action now, will we leave this for our children to face? Or our great[sup]x[/sup]-grandchildren?

We must have a Global War on The Local Group!

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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby jboogy » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 00:58:29

zensui wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f what is immortal is the soul, then after one death it will teleport to other place. And you have not even considered immaterial existence, which has only mind or consciousness. Living for eons can be quite a blessing... if you're in Nirvana. I've felt a glimpse of it, and I'm quite certain that this is the Path. While not meditating on jhannas, or being one with the respiration of the universe, then it will be nice to help those still in Samsara...


Most of the immortals you run into in novels or movies are tired of life and would like to die. Done it and seen it all and just want to rest. This seems plausible to me. Everyone you know eventually dies and the monotony of life becomes exhausting. Eternal sleep and nothingness starts to sound good.
How will this supposed heaven be that different? Will it be bearable because you're surrounded by loved ones? None of my friends or relatives is the born-again type, if I get "born-again" and re-baptized, and no one I know is in heaven, then will I be happy, surrounded by strangers? And even for those who's families are steeped in heaven-lore, how can you be sure you won't be sick and tired of them after a few thousand years? My Mom starts to get on my nerves after a few days visiting. If drinking is heaven to my step-dad, I know damn well I don't want to listen to his drunken bullshit for all of eternity. What is Nirvana Zensui? I like to play poker and French food, cold beer and chubby mature brunettes, I like music and reading, going fast and laughing. But I get tired of any one of these things if I indulge too much in too short a time, even a perfectly timed rotation of these favorite things will get old, so how does Nirvana/Heaven deal with this?
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 03:12:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'P')erhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you? And you can't "try" it for a couple hunnert' years, you make the choice and have to live with it.

No, thanks.
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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 08:41:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'P')erhaps the larger question is; if you had the ability or choice to be immortal, would you?


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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

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Re: Exploding Sun, No Problem

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Tue 01 Apr 2008, 14:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '
')smile and laugh away of suffering, it's possible :)


Smile and laugh away the pain? Even if you get your left nut slammed in a door or your dick stuck in a toaster? I don't think so.

Laughter helps when it comes to dealing with emotional pain, not physical pain.
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