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Re: Another Oil price Record

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Re: Another Record

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:22:01

Down to 106 on 321... Keep going baby! Lets test some new lows!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:07:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'D')own to 106 on 321... Keep going baby! Lets test some new lows!


Looks like it bounced at $106 and change. Looks like it's on it's way back up.

CNBC says it went down because commodities have been a flight to safety but that today there is some de-leveraging going on.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby BillPeakOil » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 13:29:18

Hey Frankthetank!

"Down to 106 on 321... Keep going baby! Lets test some new lows!". Man its sad that we have to be happy for $106 :-)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Iaato » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 13:32:33

How Alaskans Cope With High Gas Prices
(that's a can of dog food out front)

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ADN.com-multiple stories on commuting
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 13:57:25

This sucks. I want my $50 oil back and my 1.50 gasoline. I'm not going to lie. This doomer stuff was fun for a while, but i'll take the good times over the bad times!!!

106.05 now. We've got a ways to go to get that $.90 gasoline i bought back in 1999. Nothing like filling up the car for $7.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby therealtruth » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:36:33

Can you say MARGIN CALL!! Crude oil right now is the most dangerous market to be in because of its disconnect from the fundamentals. This market can literally move in either direction for no reason at all! Look at the dollar today, it's down so crude should be up right? This is exactly the reason why people who have no clue about the markets get killed because they buy what the broker tells them to buy, and guess what? The majority of brokers sell whatever is hot in the news because its an easier sell than trying to convince someone of a market that there is no news on! Just a little advice STAY OUT OF CRUDE! Funds are taking profits and probably will continue to do so for the rest of the month.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby frankthetank » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:45:26

Looks like it was down to 104 or around there. Hard to tell on 321. Back up now. Not sure what the hell is going on in the markets today.

Can someone tell China and India to trade the cars back in for bicycles... Frankthetank wants to take a family vacation and needs cheap gas ;)
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:48:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'W')e've got a ways to go to get that $.90 gasoline i bought back in 1999. Nothing like filling up the car for $7.


Oh, dear, do I feel old! I can remember paying .15 cents a gallon!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 20:59:51

Long term crude goes up. Period. Fundamentals support it. As long as demand is not destroyed in some huge way it's inevitable.

Watching the short term train wreck is for the speculators. Hedge funds will go right back in when they can. The only real way crude goes down over the long haul is if the Olduvai theory asserts itself and we have a generational global collapse.

The last thing you will be worrying about then is the price of crude.
As long as the system can remain even close to what it is today, energy as a commodity will remain bullish over the long haul.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby sjn » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 21:04:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'L')ong term crude goes up. Period. Fundamentals support it. As long as demand is not destroyed in some huge way it's inevitable.

Watching the short term train wreck is for the speculators. Hedge funds will go right back in when they can. The only real way crude goes down over the long haul is if the Olduvai theory asserts itself and we have a generational global collapse.

The last thing you will be worrying about then is the price of crude.
As long as the system can remain even close to what it is today, energy as a commodity will remain bullish over the long haul.

The last thing you'll be able to buy then is crude futures!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 22:01:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('therealtruth', 'C')an you say MARGIN CALL!! Crude oil right now is the most dangerous market to be in because of its disconnect from the fundamentals. This market can literally move in either direction for no reason at all! Look at the dollar today, it's down so crude should be up right? This is exactly the reason why people who have no clue about the markets get killed because they buy what the broker tells them to buy, and guess what? The majority of brokers sell whatever is hot in the news because its an easier sell than trying to convince someone of a market that there is no news on! Just a little advice STAY OUT OF CRUDE! Funds are taking profits and probably will continue to do so for the rest of the month.


I think the whole commodity market received a margin call, with panic setting in at one major commodity broker.

The only thing I don't understand is why didn't oil drop more with panic liquidation going on?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Valdemar » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 08:34:54

Seems to be making a climb again. It's upto $107.43 from my last check.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 13:45:01

Funny how we get so de-sensitized to these markets. I wont consider oil "down" until I see the price move back below the 60's or 70's.

The airline industry is struggling mightily to break out of the red and I know that above those levels its presently almost impossible to make money. We either change the pricing structure or die a death of a thousand cuts.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Valdemar » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 15:28:20

Near $110 again now. Wonder how this Fed rate cut will help things along...
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby therealtruth » Tue 18 Mar 2008, 21:45:57

Hey look the dollar is up so oil should be down right? I'm telling you guys this market is way overdone!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 10:54:09

trt wrote "This market can literally move in either direction for no reason at all!"

Indeed, but this is not news to most here.

How long have you been watching these markets? People can guess after the fact why a move happened, but day-to-day moves are basically impossible to predict. Most here see day trading as a fools game.

But most here have been right about the long-term trend in oil prices while most of the high-paid "experts" and media talking heads have been consistently wrong.

Pardon us if we don't take your predictions very seriously if you have not such track record and if you ever thought that day to day moves could be predicted.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby therealtruth » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 21:10:38

I wasn't predicting the day to day moves of the market! I'm saying that in the immediate short-term, oil prices are coming down. As you can see, the funds are liquidating. I said this 2 days ago!! I'm telling everyone to stay out of crude oil because the fundamentals in reality isn't strong enought to justify $100 crude, maybe $80 but definitely not $100. Even when you factor in the devaluation of the dollar and the potential risks still out there that might not have been factored into the price, anything above $80 is excessive!
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 19 Mar 2008, 21:50:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('therealtruth', 'I') wasn't predicting the day to day moves of the market! I'm saying that in the immediate short-term, oil prices are coming down. As you can see, the funds are liquidating. I said this 2 days ago!! I'm telling everyone to stay out of crude oil because the fundamentals in reality isn't strong enought to justify $100 crude, maybe $80 but definitely not $100. Even when you factor in the devaluation of the dollar and the potential risks still out there that might not have been factored into the price, anything above $80 is excessive!


What exactly are the fundamentals here?

How about a worldwide diesel shortage, which will be alleviated only the arrival of Spring.

The only way to get more diesel is to refine it, and world inventories of oil are running down - despite generally adequate supplies in the US.

But if you really wanted to look at fundamentals - what kind of oil exactly is in those inventories, even in the US?

There are no commercial reports on the quality of oil in private hands.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 09:45:38

A Shell executive on CNBC just said what I've been saying: the high price of oil is not justified by normal supply/demand considerations but the demand for diesel can not be met except by refining more oil.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Last_Laff » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 15:47:11

Is it just me or 98.89 has been stuck for some time today?

It looks like Mr. 98.89 is looking at the floor.

[edit: never mind it seem to me 321energy are havin some glitches or sumthin'...]
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