Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

THE Bear Stearns Thread (merged)

What's on your mind?
General interest discussions, not necessarily related to depletion.

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 01:25:56

To the issue of whether anything like this has happened before, when Drexel Burnham Lambert went down it was just this fast.

Also, E.F. Hutton basically got killed in the 1987 crash. Nobody would have believed that could happen a few years before because, you know, when E.F. Hutton talked, people listened.
:)
User avatar
BigTex
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3858
Joined: Thu 03 Aug 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Graceland

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby seldom_seen » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:55:27

This guy, Joseph Lewis, just lost 1 billion dollars on his stock investment in Bear Stearns.
He paid an average 107/share for 11 million shares last year.

Image

Morgan Stanley is out about 500 million so is the CEO.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home
seldom_seen
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2229
Joined: Tue 12 Apr 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Ache » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 03:10:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"Edouard Balladur, the former French [Gaullist] prime minister, memorably once asked: 'What is the market? It is the law of the jungle, the law of nature. And what is civilisation? It is the struggle against nature.'"
User avatar
Ache
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 348
Joined: Sat 23 Apr 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby GreyGhost » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 03:44:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his is really strange. Has anything like this ever happened before? Why on a Sunday?

Will there be more financial turmoil next week?

Will it spill over onto main street? How?


Bear Stearns is the fifth largest investment bank in america, and they have just gone belly-up. The reason is, they were more heavily invested than most in bad mortgages.

Essentially it's a "run on the bank", however not a retail bank, but an investment bank. The clients are not Joe 6 Pack, but rather very rich individuals and institutions.

Expect huge volatility on the stock markets starting Monday morning, as people start to work out who was exposed to these losses.

This whole mess has not really been in the mainstream media - until now. Previously there would have been "motivation" from above to not report too much to avoid panic, however this is too big to hold back.
User avatar
GreyGhost
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 108
Joined: Wed 31 Aug 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 04:13:40

If they have a minimum buy in of 5000 shares at $63 that would mean you'd have to have bought in for $315,000, so if its now worth $2 you just lost $305,000. I think that would be more than enough to start as panic.

My drawers would need a change and I'd need some prozak, no wonder some guys jumped off buildings back in the 30's eh?
User avatar
uNkNowN ElEmEnt
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2587
Joined: Sat 04 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: perpetual state of exhaustion

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 06:12:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ssentially it's a "run on the bank", however not a retail bank, but an investment bank. The clients are not Joe 6 Pack, but rather very rich individuals and institutions


exactly which means one has to think about the roll that hedge funds play in making this whole subprime issue more significant than it might have been. I listened to some discussion this morning on the asian market business news and there was at least one opinion that the hedge funds cratered Bear Stearns.
User avatar
rockdoc123
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7685
Joined: Mon 16 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 09:36:48

BSC Profile

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r. Alan D. Schwartz is the Co-President and Co-Chief Operating Officer at Bear Stearns Companies Inc. He has also been a Director of Bear Stearns Companies Inc. since 1987 and a Member of its Executive Committee since June 25, 2001. Mr. Schwartz is also the President and Co-Chief Operating Officer of Bear Stearns & Co., a subsidiary of Bear Stearns Companies Inc. since June 25, 2001. He served as an Executive Vice President and Head of the Investment Banking Department .


The BSC genius CEO received a $250,000 salary, and a $16M bonus for his astute leadership of one of the nation's top five investment banks.

This guy ought to be marched naked to the center of the Rose Bowl, placed on a suitable pedestal, and pelted with tomatoes by 104,000 screaming shareholders whose investment has gone to squat on the basis of this managerial brilliance.

The $2 per share is reportedly the approximate value of the building that these cretins inhabit in NY.

Unfortunately, he will probably get richer by writing a book about today. "How to survive a really bad day", by Alan Schwartz.
User avatar
pup55
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 5249
Joined: Wed 26 May 2004, 03:00:00

Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 10:25:57

If you owned Bear Stearns, or your investments were managed by them, you woke up this morning to find you've lost everything.(and of course, if you worked there, you don't.)

Other investors are scrambling to save what they can, as the spotlight turns to the other banks that have been trying to hide in the shadows. Since <i>their</i> vaults are empty too, expect this thing to cascade.

CNBC have pulled out all the cheerleaders. I imagine they are calling Kudlow and dragging him out of bed right now. Asian Markets were a slaughter. To say it was bad would be an understatement. Billions have evaporated overnight, tens of billions to come today.
Last edited by Ferretlover on Wed 10 Aug 2011, 22:09:46, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Merged thread.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry

The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
User avatar
Cid_Yama
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7169
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: The Post Peak Oil Historian

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Bas » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 10:47:55

yes, I've been watching the mayhem for hours now, fascinating!

[smilie=eusa_boohoo.gif]
Bas
 

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby SteinarN » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:19:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '[')url=http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=170633&symbol=BSC]BSC Profile[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')r. Alan D. Schwartz is the Co-President and Co-Chief Operating Officer at Bear Stearns Companies Inc. He has also been a Director of Bear Stearns Companies Inc. since 1987 and a Member of its Executive Committee since June 25, 2001. Mr. Schwartz is also the President and Co-Chief Operating Officer of Bear Stearns & Co., a subsidiary of Bear Stearns Companies Inc. since June 25, 2001. He served as an Executive Vice President and Head of the Investment Banking Department .


The BSC genius CEO received a $250,000 salary, and a $16M bonus for his astute leadership of one of the nation's top five investment banks.

This guy ought to be marched naked to the center of the Rose Bowl, placed on a suitable pedestal, and pelted with tomatoes by 104,000 screaming shareholders whose investment has gone to squat on the basis of this managerial brilliance.

The $2 per share is reportedly the approximate value of the building that these cretins inhabit in NY.

Unfortunately, he will probably get richer by writing a book about today. "How to survive a really bad day", by Alan Schwartz.


Do you have stocks in BSC, pup55?
User avatar
SteinarN
Master Prognosticator
Master Prognosticator
 
Posts: 278
Joined: Thu 20 Sep 2007, 03:00:00
Location: Norway
Top

Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:25:39

Interesting that shares of BSC are being bought today at over $3 a share.
User avatar
dinopello
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 6088
Joined: Fri 13 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: The Urban Village

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Last_Laff » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:30:54

Bas, how are you watching this and or where?
"Panic is not a strategy." - BigTex
User avatar
Last_Laff
Lignite
Lignite
 
Posts: 252
Joined: Sat 16 Sep 2006, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby benzoil » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:44:10

And yet....the Dow is basically even at 10:30AM EST. I guess they're already pricing in a full basis point cut between now and the Fed meeting.

At some point, they're going to have to book some serious losses. The Fed is about out of bullets.
TANSTAAFL
User avatar
benzoil
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 443
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Windy City No Longer

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Bas » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 11:52:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Laff', 'B')as, how are you watching this and or where?


In Holland, tv, on the internet checking all the the market movements. A dutch business channel at one point had on it's banner: Greenspan: worst crisis since WWII...too bad all the drama seems to be cooling down after more fed emergency measures...we're probably better off for it though...:)
Bas
 
Top

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Bas » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:02:56

What does it mean?

The lack of government regulation of the financial industry, the laissez fare attitude, has allowed for this incredible mess to develop...
Bas
 

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:19:54

Headhunters are already out there comparing Bear Stearns to Enron. There are already being raised questions of criminal wrongdoing. Problem is, any criminal wrongdoing by Bear Stearns will also have been happening throughout the banking system. Once the legal sharks start circling, the whole game is in trouble.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry

The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
User avatar
Cid_Yama
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7169
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: The Post Peak Oil Historian

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:23:48

Greenspan running his jaw is like a retired priest walking around
town and calling people out for their sins for free beer and
eats. Now if he and O.J. Simpson get together we can have
a sequel book.

How We Could Have Done This.

This is that time that Warren Buffet spoke of that has
the tide ripping out like it does before a tsunami and
all of the folks swimming naked making themselves
a thong and bra out of seaweed for the long march
across the sand.

Somewhere out on the drying sand is a bear and a shark
who choked to death with each others tails in their mouth.
User avatar
efarmer
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2003
Joined: Fri 17 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby BillPeakOil » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 12:44:51

Efarmer, thats a good point on Greenspan. Its amazing how many quotes you hear from him considering he is 'retired'!
User avatar
BillPeakOil
Wood
Wood
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat 15 Mar 2008, 03:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 13:08:06

Has Mr. Greenspan crowed that the reverse yield
conundrum is now solved?

BONDS PRICE YIELD
2-Year 101.250 1.35
10-Year 101.344 3.34
30-Year 101.484 4.29
User avatar
efarmer
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2003
Joined: Fri 17 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: Bear Stearns - What does it mean?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 13:12:01

CNBC is showing Bear Stearns employees leaving the building with their personal belongings in boxes. Looks just like a repeat of Enron.

Lehman Brothers now down 25%, even with the Fed action. That means they have to be getting hit with Margin Calls. Will they die as quickly as Bear Stearns?

Hey Buddy, can you spare $2 a share?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry

The level of injustice and wrong you endure is directly determined by how much you quietly submit to. Even to the point of extinction.
User avatar
Cid_Yama
Light Sweet Crude
Light Sweet Crude
 
Posts: 7169
Joined: Sun 27 May 2007, 03:00:00
Location: The Post Peak Oil Historian

PreviousNext

Return to Open Topic Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron