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More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

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More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 20:36:45

This is called "attempting to prevent Monday from going down in History as "the St. Patrick's day massacre.""

Flat out panic at the top level of banking . . .

MakeSureYouHaveCashandFood


Note that they STILL haven't acknowledged that we are already in a recession.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Federal Reserve announced a series of new steps Sunday to help provide relief to a spreading credit crisis that threatens to plunge the economy into recession.

The central bank approved a cut to its lending rate . . .


This is where it gets good . . .

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The steps are "designed to bolster market liquidity and promote orderly market functioning," the Fed said in a statement. "Liquid well-functioning markets are essential for the promotion of economic growth."


Yeah sure! They're going to protect the little guy.
What this is is a bailout of the primary banks and an attempt to prevent a market crash.

Ask yourself this:

Why do this Sunday mid day?

Answer - make the announcements before the Asian stock markets drop off the cliff.

Just like on MLK day, when Asian markets were down 5-10%, the Fed came out with its BS announcement an hour before the markets opened on Tuesday.

It's all about saving the large investors and banks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')It will be in place for at least six months and "may be extended as conditions warrant," the Fed said. The interest rate will be 3.25 percent and a range of collateral will be accepted to back the loans.


Translation - any ol' shit collateral will be accepted - we don't care, as long as our primaries are protected.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:58:30

WatchForeignMarkets

Nikkei is down almost 3% at 9PM.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby careinke » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:36:17

Gold is soaring.

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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby Revi » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:42:59

Great... The price of silver is way up as well:

http://kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html

Is this a precursor to a financial meltdown?

What will happen tomorrow?
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:52:33

I wouldn't say "precursor to the final meltdown".

I'd say we are losing the patient and we've just gone to the shock paddles. Unfortunately, the heart has already been ripped out, so this is just one more impressive looking move by the Fed that can only postpone the moment when he head surgeon looks up and says:

"he's dead Jim."
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby americandream » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 23:12:33

We have the US government in essence taking in bad non-tradeable assets (mortgages and their derivatives etc) from financial institutions seeking tradeable ones and interim funding whilst they presumably hunker down. All of this presumably assumes that the non-tradeables will be redeemable at some stage.

Can anyone with some understanding of the market possibly detail a turn around scenario?

Will we for example see a rush to buy the underlying mortgages at some stage. Is there likely to be a firesale of the residential market to foreign investors? Is there enough foreign money out there to take up the slack of the failing US consumer?

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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 23:51:31

AD - picture the average J6P that you see in the store.

Would you pick up his ARM 5/25 mortgage that is currently in default?

That's you answer.

Yes, I'm a pornographic doomer, but it's really that simple.

We're all squicked.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 00:06:07

This could be a bloodbath . . .

Nikkei down 4.2%.

Where is the floor?

Or, should I ask, where is the ground?
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 01:10:00

I have confidence they wont let it get into "chain-reaction" territory. They will sell the JP Morgan acquisition of Bear as a good thing. The market will be up tomorrow.

They will only let the market bomb go off when they have a good political cover (i.e. some left-field major event that shakes up the populace)
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 01:15:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')hey will only let the market bomb go off when they have a good political cover (i.e. some left-field major event that shakes up the populace)



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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby heroineworshipper » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:03:02

> a range of collateral will be accepted to back the loans.

Will they take some used golf balls in exchange for a couple billion dollars?
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:27:07

No, No really! If we all get a teacup and start bailing the Titanic can be saved!
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:31:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MM', 'I') have confidence they wont let it get into "chain-reaction" territory. They will sell the JP Morgan acquisition of Bear as a good thing. The market will be up tomorrow.


Man, are you smoking the same crack as Mr. Bill?

The S&P is down 2.5% -- %%%!

It's 1:31 AM.

That gives the Fed about 7 hours to pull something out of their asses to prevent a really bad day.

Remember, the announcement of the rate cut and the new loan facility was supposed to be GOOD news.

The problem is that the Bear Stearns news was really BAD news.

So bad, in fact, that Hong Kong just announced it was NOT matching the Fed's rate decrease.

Let me translate that for you - China is dropping the dollar peg.

It's all over except for the crying at this point.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby Starvid » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:46:59

Things are looking dark grey to pitch black in the US. Let's pray for decoupling.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 02:50:09

<b>JP Morgan willing to take Bear Stearns off of investors hands for $2 a share</b>

JPMorgan Chase has said it is to buy Wall Street's fifth-largest investment bank, Bear Stearns, for <b>$2.00</b> a share - a fraction of its previous value.

<b>Duh! Since it closed on Friday at $26.85, down 53% of it's value from the day before.</b>

Lets all try to hide the fact that the sky is falling!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7299938.stm
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 04:25:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'T')hings are looking dark grey to pitch black in the US. Let's pray for decoupling.

How do you want to decouple?
International finance is highly interdependent.

If you want to decouple from it, first step is to retire or disassemble WTO, cut all pegs to dollar and bring trade barriers against US in form of old fashion custom & excise duties etc.
That may be worth considering once US has interest rates close to 0%, euro stands for 3 or 4 $ etc.
But such a move is an end of international trade as we know it.
So EU would have to pull it alone.
Meantime there are plenty of sick European economies, which would have to be decoupled too.
So for example Italians, Greeks, Spaniards or French would have to be thrown out of euro zone... and Brits should be sold to US where they belong.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby JohnDenver » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 05:40:16

Total meltdown of the U.S. economy imminent...
Oil price rise accelerating...

Got disconnect?
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby PopeGideon » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 05:44:23

There's no disconnect at all.

A. Oil is running out, so there is supply/demand pressure.

B. The dollar is falling, so oil is a hedge against dollar devaluation.

C. Paper investment garbage is starting to ooze toxic sludge, so oil is a safe haven because it is real, it is necessary, and it can't lose all or even most of its value.

A+B+C=150 by year end. Maybe by the Summer Solstice.
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 09:27:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'I') have confidence they wont let it get into "chain-reaction" territory. They will sell the JP Morgan acquisition of Bear as a good thing. The market will be up tomorrow.

They will only let the market bomb go off when they have a good political cover (i.e. some left-field major event that shakes up the populace)


Probably. the US government has a habit of wanting to
"blame those damn terrorists".
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Re: More Desperate Fed Moves (on a Sunday) . . .

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 09:42:22

Breaking news headline from Bigcharts:

FED'S GAUGE OF NEW YORK FACTORY ACTIVITY PLUNGES TO RECORD LOW IN MARCH

No link yet.

Let's face it, it's all falling apart before our eyes.

The mess is spreading like octopus ink.

The Fed can't save the world with its printed money.

The system is now so complex no one truly understands it. No one really knows who owns what or how its owned. The drifts of paperwork would take 1 billion accountants 1 billion years to read and collate.

How would the FDIC ever honor millions of claims? That is ultimately what the system rests on, but THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BANKRUPT. $10 trillion in debt and growing faster than the wheels can spin.
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