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THE Bear Stearns Thread (merged)

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Re: Bear Stearns Sold

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:24:14

Wow. I wonder what $2.00/share gets JP...some computers and office furniture...a few coffee makers and some office space?

They really went butts up.

Of course they didn't "fail" though because they were bought out (on a sunday). crazy.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:28:43

JP Morgan is taking immediate responsibility for Bear's trading obligations and assuming "management oversight" of the firm's operations.

I don't like the looks of this development one bit.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:32:59

BS is bankrupt and the Fed is taking up some of its losses so what remains can be passed onto JPM, which will make it look like a takeover.

Perhaps more alarming is that if BS is bankrupt, what about companies such as Countrywide - and other Wall Street firms?
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Re: Bear Stearns Sold

Unread postby Iaato » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:43:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'W')ow. I wonder what $2.00/share gets JP...some computers and office furniture...a few coffee makers and some office space?


The office building alone is worth more than $2 a share, but no one in the MSM is talking about the detractions. JPM get $13 Trillion in derivative debt from BSC that will eventually be worth no more than the paper it's printed on. And some backroom assurances from the Fed that JPM can be the Fed's beyotch. So how much of the derivative debt will the fed have to take on, and when, or will ever even know?
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:47:34

I just don't understand the whole shtick. Long run, what is the benefit?
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby firestarter » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:50:52

This is fucking incredible--two dollars a share! The Fed is also backstopping JPM to the tune of $30 bil in non recourse funding.

I imagine the rest of the world will be working with the Fed to temper the blow. No matter what they coordinate, this will go down as the biggest single catalyst for financial Armageddon.

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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:59:45

No, is incredible!!!

Employees own 33% of Bear Stearns. This is incredible news. Thousands of people just got wiped out. Poof!

With the FED pulling the rug out on a Sunday (!!) I can't help but believe this is only the tip of the iceberg. Asian markets aren't liking the sound of this one bit either. The dollar will really feel this one.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby firestarter » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:09:28

There's going to be a lot of suicides in the coming days.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:11:04

said E. William Stone, who oversees $77 billion as chief investment strategist at PNC Wealth Management in Philadelphia. ``The longer-term thesis is that the Fed won't let good companies fail based on lack of liquidity and a crisis of confidence.''

Huh? Is BS now the case study for how to manage a financial?
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:11:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'B')S is bankrupt and the Fed is taking up some of its losses so what remains can be passed onto JPM, which will make it look like a takeover.

Perhaps more alarming is that if BS is bankrupt, what about companies such as Countrywide - and other Wall Street firms?


Bank of America already made an offer to take over Countrywide a couple of months ago. Looks like a sucker move now---- they should've waited until it fell to $2 a share and the feds took over all the debt.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Chesire » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:13:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'T')here's going to be a lot of suicides in the coming days.


Suicides by no skills to pay the bills finance wiz kids ? No loss , sounds like cleaning up the gene pool to me
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Iaato » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:30:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'I') just don't understand the whole shtick. Long run, what is the benefit?


Basically, BSC was bankrupt, and in debt to other corporate entities because they were holding $13Trillion in bad derivative paper based mostly on bad morgage loans.

The Fed is backstopping JPM's purchase and guaranteeing the deal. If the derivatives have to be cashed in, the Fed will exchange the worthless derivative paper for treasuries which can then be used to prop, prop, prop some more.

The sends the dollar off the cliff, and gold up out of the pit it has been in for 25 years. And will eventually crash the markets. The benefit to JPM is that they eventually, after a number of the same sort of consolidations, become the United States of America National Bank. USANB. Kind of catchy, isn't it?

The benefit is to the executives of JPM, who will get rich, and their buddies. It delays problems for the other investment banks, and props the regular banks. Eventually it will make it all worse, but for now, it delays things. The US taxpayer will descend into the poorhouse as the cost of everything they need to live explodes (except their salaries). The poor staff of BSC also get totally shafted, as BSC was about 30% employee-owned.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Revi » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:37:55

This is really strange. Has anything like this ever happened before? Why on a Sunday?

Will there be more financial turmoil next week?

Will it spill over onto main street? How?
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Novus » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:47:44

It was done on a Sunday so the rich could get theirs as they are too well connected to eat a 97% loss and everyone else is left holding the bag. It is time to get out of the market no matter what company has your 401k or pension. Buy gold, silver, Euros, and yen and get away from this abyss.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:49:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Iaato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'I') just don't understand the whole shtick. Long run, what is the benefit?


Basically, BSC was bankrupt, and in debt to other corporate entities because they were holding $13Trillion in bad derivative paper based mostly on bad morgage loans.

The Fed is backstopping JPM's purchase and guaranteeing the deal. If the derivatives have to be cashed in, the Fed will exchange the worthless derivative paper for treasuries which can then be used to prop, prop, prop some more.

The sends the dollar off the cliff, and gold up out of the pit it has been in for 25 years. And will eventually crash the markets. The benefit to JPM is that they eventually, after a number of the same sort of consolidations, become the United States of America National Bank. USANB. Kind of catchy, isn't it?

The benefit is to the executives of JPM, who will get rich, and their buddies. It delays problems for the other investment banks, and props the regular banks. Eventually it will make it all worse, but for now, it delays things. The US taxpayer will descend into the poorhouse as the cost of everything they need to live explodes (except their salaries). The poor staff of BSC also get totally shafted, as BSC was about 30% employee-owned.


Somebody, and I don't remember who, on peakoil forecast 6-8 months ago that JPM would be the "last man standing". Well, it looks like whoever it was needs to start thinking of an acceptance speech for some kind of award. JPM goes back a long way with the International Bankers, yes?
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It's Official...

Unread postby ki11ercane » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 22:55:46

JPMorgan says it will buy ailing Bear Stearns.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

Wow, their shares were trading at $30.00 Friday, and they we're bought for $2.00 per share.

Too bad, I would have liked to have actually "seen" a bank run.
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Re: It's Official...

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 23:00:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', 'J')PMorgan says it will buy ailing Bear Stearns.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

Wow, their shares were trading at $30.00 Friday, and they we're bought for $2.00 per share.

Too bad, I would have liked to have actually "seen" a bank run.


That is a wow. I thought $10 a share was possible (for no other reason than it was about their price in 1997ish, when all the real shenanigans started). That's what happens when your mouth writes checks that your butt can't cash.
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Re: It's Official...

Unread postby PopeGideon » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 23:03:12

1 - You should change the title to include the meat of your post.

2 - This is big because it's the first time we get to see a value put on all the nuclear waste that's been piling up at the banks - you know, the crap backed with sub-prime mortgages.

The value is zero.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby Mechler » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 23:06:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', '
') JPM goes back a long way with the International Bankers, yes?


According to The Money Masters, when JP Morgan died, it was discovered that the Rothschild's owned 81% of his companies.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')P Morgan was only a lieutenant of the Rothschild's...


If this is true, I would say that a strong connection still exists today. The fact that the Fed is backing the deal is further proof, I suppose.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby mmasters » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 01:13:47

Rothschilds, Rockefellers own JP Morgan through various arrangements. I think the Windsors may have a part in it too.

Anyway, they did it today so the market couldnt' react and that they could put a positive spin on it when the market opens.
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