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Re: WWIII

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 19:49:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')e all know WWIII is a war which cannot be won.


A history book 50 years from now (if we still have books then) will include a quick passage reading, 'WWIII began in 2003 when the USA, deeply concerned over its dwindling oil reserves, and desperate to keep its shockingly wasteful society running, attacked and quickly occupied oil-rich Iraq.

By 2012 resource wars had engulfed nearly every continent. It ended on November 7, that year when a nuclear exchange with Russia destroyed Moscow, Bacu and most major US cities quickly stopping the war as US involvement ceased and once-complex military alliances quickly evaporated. Surviving leaders of the US and UK governments were quickly captured, tried, and hung in an international court for crimes against humanity for starting the war.'
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 19:54:33

If Karadzic can hide for how ever many years it has been in Serbia than I think we can loose a few leaders in Kansas or Montana.

Besides, if the current order is upturned there will be no international court and the rest of the world will be busy settling their own grievances and securing their own energy supplies.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby dorlomin » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 20:04:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f I recall, China was whipped by the Vietnamese. Just after they whipped us.
Russia is a land no one invades with impunity. They also crushed the Japanese before WWII and at the end again.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby AWPrime » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 20:35:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'C')hina on the other hand. that is a nation that has the confidence to commit to taking on the Russian Bear and it has a more realistic expectation that it might be able to pry the oil rigs from Russia's dying hand. On top of that with too many people and a sense of historical grievance (against "them") and we might see some spectacular sunsets... you know, right before they year that sees snow on the ground all year long.

Well that would be more bloody than WWII.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Stratovarius » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:42:40

If anyone uses nukes, then we all lose.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 00:08:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I')f I recall, China was whipped by the Vietnamese. Just after they whipped us.
Russia is a land no one invades with impunity. They also crushed the Japanese before WWII and at the end again.


It's also a land few would probably want. I mean, there is a reason why nobody there seems to live over 45.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 00:19:39

Nuclear weapons are the clear choice to end the stalemate that modern conventional weapons have made of battlefields. A stalemate that could be overcome with industry and the commitment that comes with total war (like in WWI), but those things are non-sequitor in a peak oil world. The danger, therefore, of nuclear over total war is greater now than during the cold war.

Whom? The first strike could come from any side. The most likely side would be the one that sees how obvious it is and how they could profit from it. The one thing that seems sure to me is that if anything comes along this line it will be massive and not designed to play around. I can see a possible exception to massive action based in some kind of 'Muslims got a hold of our weapons ruse', but no lessening for much else.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby chrispi » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 00:37:35

I don't see global thermonuclear war resulting from Peak Oil--simply because a post-atomic holocaust would be unlivable. I see something far worse: Biological warfare. And it would fit in with the agenda of the global elite. Skyrocketing wheat prices? A bit of smallpox or some genetically engineered superbug would cure that. And we could blame it all on the "terrorists." How convenient!
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Barbara » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 05:40:25

When USA sinks, EU and Russia will be best friends in 2 nanoseconds...
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Cloud9 » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 07:47:53

China will invade Russia the same way Mexico has invaded the United States.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby dinopello » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 09:38:01

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Re: WWIII

Unread postby mos6507 » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 14:53:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chrispi', 'I') don't see global thermonuclear war resulting from Peak Oil--simply because a post-atomic holocaust would be unlivable. I see something far worse: Biological warfare. And it would fit in with the agenda of the global elite. Skyrocketing wheat prices? A bit of smallpox or some genetically engineered superbug would cure that. And we could blame it all on the "terrorists." How convenient!


It's a pretty old scheme. Ever seen Moonraker? How about 12 Monkeys?
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:03:34

Russia will use nukes. The united states will us Hydrogen Bombs, which are far more powerful but without all of the mutations afterwords.

Millions will die in russia Millions will turn into mutants in the US

South America, Africa, and Australia will become the world powers.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:44:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'R')ussia will use nukes. The united states will us Hydrogen Bombs, which are far more powerful but without all of the mutations afterwords.

Millions will die in russia Millions will turn into mutants in the US

South America, Africa, and Australia will become the world powers.

Russian and American nuclear weaponry is of comparable design and quality, so you will see similar results.
So we won't see many mutants.
Americans and Russians will be comparably well incinerated.
This should prevent them making further troubles.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Madpaddy » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 15:57:56

jasonraymondson wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')illions will turn into mutants in the US


This in fact has already happened.


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Re: WWIII

Unread postby AWPrime » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 19:04:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'R')ussia will use nukes. The united states will us Hydrogen Bombs, which are far more powerful but without all of the mutations afterwords.

Millions will die in russia Millions will turn into mutants in the US

South America, Africa, and Australia will become the world powers.
Actually russia has the biggest hydrogen bombs. But they only made them so strong because their guidance systems were so bad.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby highlander » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 20:03:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', '[')]Actually russia has the biggest hydrogen bombs. But they only made them so strong because their guidance systems were so bad.


That propaganda, MAD, and the nuclear winter nonsense, have convinced many it is better to just give up. It will only take one detonation to bring this nation to complete paralysis. We will quietly go off into the camps led by our chinese, russian and european conquerers.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Stratovarius » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 20:49:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'j')asonraymondson wrote:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')illions will turn into mutants in the US


This in fact has already happened.


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Wdf? I thought those were exterminated 5 millenia ago by the Sumerians.
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 20:56:33

World War III will start small.

The Pakistanis will lob a few at india, or Iran will nuke Tel Aviv. Whatever country that was attacked first will respond as best it can with whatever nukes it has left.

Then, once the tabu on using nukes is broken, everybody else will be afraid they are going to get nuked so they will be spooked and put their nukes on a hair-trigger, causing accidents and more local nuclear wars.

Eventually all the nuclear powers will get sucked into the war on one side or the other..
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Re: WWIII

Unread postby jboogy » Mon 17 Mar 2008, 21:22:12

I doubt very seriously we'll ever see a World War in the classic sense again, where nuclear superpowers openly engage one another on a large scale, and unless superpowers openly fighting is involved, I don't know you can term it a "World" war.
China will never invade Russia,and vice-versa, Germany will not invade France, nobody will invade U.S., If you have ICBM's you are safe from invasion, have you noticed no foreign troop has ever set foot on a nuclear nation's soil since Nagasaki? That's 63 years of some very violent times without a nuclear power being invaded.

I think the wise men realize reciprocating nuclear war is a no win situation, they may run nuclear war simulations till the cows come home, but it takes too many "signatures" to launch 1st strike nowadays. Unless there is a clear, credible threat, surprise 1st strike is very unlikely.(this excludes false flag inside jobs) World War 3 will be a proxy war, just like most war since WW2, there will just be more players.
It will take place in the mideast, The majors behind it will be the superpowers. The U.S. and Britain will fight thru and with Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Qatar, ......against Iran, syria, Taliban/Al Queda, Lebanon, possibly Pakistani and Iraqi rebel factions, the Iranians will enjoy the support of either China or Russia, or possibly a combination of the two.
You may see India and Pakistan use this regional conflict to finally settle their differences on the battlefield, this could lead to a nuclear exchange, it seems their mutual hatred transcends reason. This may also set the stage for a side war in S.E. Turkey and N.W. Iraq, that will have little to do with oil. China would most likely use the M.E. war as cover to invade Taiwan. The U.S. would also likely use it as an excuse to start up some contra/sandanista type shit in Venezuela and Bolivia, beyond what they've already done. You would also probably see overt moves to secure African resources by one or more majors during this time.
It will be World War, but you won't see U.S. forces (or anyone else)marching thru the frozen tundra to lay seige to Leningrad . You won't see China dive-bombing Pearl Harbor or Russians marching to Berlin, no nuclear powers sovereign soil will be threatened in WW3.
As someone on this thread already stated, WW3 has already begun, so you don't have to be Nostradomus to see the groundwork for wider conflict being laid. We might see Bush invade Iran before he leaves, with centcoms Top Dog ( and pain in Bushes ass) Fallon "resigning", we are one step closer to the final game being set in motion.
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