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Unread postby deMolay » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 11:38:54

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Damn, Bear Stearns going down?

Unread postby jdmartin » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 12:34:04

whoah! Almost 50% drop just today. The rats are fleeing the ship I guess...
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 13:51:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The market chatter about liquidity risk actually resulted in a run on the bank against Bear Stearns," said Jane Caron, senior vice president and chief economist strategist at Dwight Asset Management in Burlington, Vt. "Even if they weren't in a liquidity crisis before, the rumors became self-fulfilling."


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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 14:01:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')The market chatter about liquidity risk actually resulted in a run on the bank against Bear Stearns," said Jane Caron, senior vice president and chief economist strategist at Dwight Asset Management in Burlington, Vt. "Even if they weren't in a liquidity crisis before, the rumors became self-fulfilling."


8O :shock:


They were up to their ears in mortgage backed derivavtives and this mortgage crisis really started with entities related to them last summer.

So I reject this crisis at BS is related to confidence, but rather poor business decision making.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 14:13:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')ather poor business decision making.


This is the "stupid defense" a la Enron.

More likely, they got greedy, made a conscious management decision to get into this market despite the risks, thinking that the situation would go on forever, and got bit in the rear end.

This is more in line with reasonableness and prudence, and the managers ought to be doing the perp walk for fraud for a couple of years worth of 10Q's that said "all is well, remain calm".

They had some accomplices in this: the ratings companies (S and P and Moody's) that let them get away with it, probably some regulators, a few others we can think of.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 14:48:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')ather poor business decision making.


This is the "stupid defense" a la Enron.

More likely, they got greedy, made a conscious management decision to get into this market despite the risks, thinking that the situation would go on forever, and got bit in the rear end.


Their conscious management decision turned out to be a stupid one.

Still....it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 14:55:16

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I guess Bear Stearns is now a sub-prime investment bank.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby mmasters » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 22:42:10

JP Morgan will eventually acquire them. There will be more failures to come including Citibank. This is all about consolidation in preparation for the one world banking system.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby deMolay » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 22:49:19

All in all it does not bode well for Henry and Martha on main street.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 22:50:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'J')P Morgan will eventually acquire them. There will be more failures to come including Citibank. This is all about consolidation in preparation for the one world banking system.


I think its more likely than not that JPM will take over what's left of BSC but it won't do that without at least some Fed guarantee, and quite possibly shifting bad assets to the Fed. Although I am not sure how you shift $13 trillion in derivatives over to the Fed without making the dollar crash, perhaps they will ask for some type of government sponsored bailout to cover losses or ask all countries and the IMF to interviene to stopp the dollar's fall.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby Iaato » Fri 14 Mar 2008, 23:52:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'A')lthough I am not sure how you shift $13 trillion in derivatives over to the Fed without making the dollar crash, perhaps they will ask for some type of government sponsored bailout to cover losses or ask all countries and the IMF to interviene to stopp the dollar's fall.


I guess that the Fed hopes that the derivatives can just expire into vapor with no harm, the same way they were created (minus the skim). It depends on what they're connected to and how they're connected? I'm not sure anyone even knows that yet?
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby roccman » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 00:01:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'J')P Morgan will eventually acquire them. There will be more failures to come including Citibank. This is all about consolidation in preparation for the one world banking system.


I am long JP Morgan.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby Angry_Chimp » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 00:43:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'J')P Morgan will eventually acquire them. There will be more failures to come including Citibank. This is all about consolidation in preparation for the one world banking system.


I think its more likely than not that JPM will take over what's left of BSC but it won't do that without at least some Fed guarantee, and quite possibly shifting bad assets to the Fed. Although I am not sure how you shift $13 trillion in derivatives over to the Fed without making the dollar crash, perhaps they will ask for some type of government sponsored bailout to cover losses or ask all countries and the IMF to interviene to stopp the dollar's fall.


With what? More paper? The only way the IMF could really intervene would be to guarantee increasing crude oil imports for the US for the next few decades so they could keep the fiat game going longer. Game over my friend, the illusion is exposed. mmasters hit the nail on the head, consolidation of power.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 00:58:17

Anybody buying Bear Stearns stock? If the feds aren't going to let it fail, it should be a great buy.
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Re: Breaking News Bear Stearns On Life Support

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 15 Mar 2008, 01:16:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'J')P Morgan will eventually acquire them. There will be more failures to come including Citibank. This is all about consolidation in preparation for the one world banking system.


I am long JP Morgan.

Not a bad place to have a bank account either. Definitely don't want to be in that line for FDIC reimbursement!
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Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Friday

Unread postby Ayoob » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:09:41

JPMorgan Chase Buys Bear Stearns for $270 Million (Update1)

By Yalman Onaran

March 16 (Bloomberg) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. agreed to buy Bear Stearns Cos. for about $270 million after a run on the company ended 85 years of independence for Wall Street's fifth- largest securities firm and prompted a bailout by the Federal Reserve.

The deal values New York-based Bear Stearns, with 14,000 employees, at $2 a share, compared with $30 at the close on March 14. The central bank will provide financing for the transaction, including support for as much as $30 billion of Bear Stearns's ``less-liquid assets,'' the two companies said in a statement today.

JPMorgan Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon had the upper hand in negotiations after coming to the smaller firm's rescue last week with a cash infusion engineered by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Bear Stearns's CEO, Alan Schwartz, faced the prospect of bankruptcy as clients pulled $17 billion in two days last week and creditors stopped renewing loans.

``JPMorgan Chase stands behind Bear Stearns,'' Dimon said in the statement. ``Bear Stearns's clients and counterparties should feel secure that JPMorgan is guaranteeing Bear Stearns's counterparty risk. We welcome their clients, counterparties and employees to our firm, and we are glad to be their partner.''

Bear Stearns's sale to JPMorgan caps an eight-month slide in the company's fortunes that began last July with the collapse of two of its hedge funds. Those failures sparked a wider market concern that called into doubt the value of any asset linked to the mortgage market, Bear Stearns's biggest business.

Market Deterioration

Without a resolution this weekend, the situation would probably have continued to deteriorate when markets resumed trading tomorrow, according to analysts and investors including Cambiar Investors LLC's Brian Barish.

``The past week has been an incredibly difficult time,'' Schwartz said in the statement. ``This transaction represents the best outcome for all of our constituencies based upon the current circumstances.''

The Fed's rescue attempt last week failed to avert a crisis of confidence among Bear Stearns's customers and shareholders, who drove the stock down a record 47 percent after the cash infusion was announced.

Bear Stearns's profit exceeded $2 billion in 2006, yet the price JPMorgan is paying is about one quarter the value of the securities firm's headquarters building in midtown Manhattan. The 1.2 million-square-foot, 45-story structure built in 2001 is worth about $1.2 billion, based on the average $1,000 per- square-foot that comparable office space in the city is currently fetching.

Counterparty Risk

``If you're buying equity for free and the liabilities are pretty well capped, it sounds like it's good for JPMorgan shareholders,'' said Ben Wallace, who helps manage $800 million, including shares of JPMorgan, at Grimes & Co. in Westborough, Massachusetts. ``The thing that everybody's been worried about has been the counterparty risk and if this gives people more confidence, that will be good for the markets.''

Bear Stearns's prime brokerage unit, which provides loans and processes trades for hedge funds, generated $1.2 billion in revenue last year. That business is probably the only piece left of the company with value after the mortgage market collapsed last year, analysts have said.

The prime brokerage was the third-largest behind Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley as of April 2007, according to Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. About a sixth of the firm's income came from packaging and trading mortgage bonds, a market that has been almost completely frozen since July.

`A Lot of Value'

``As bad as things are at Bear Stearns, this is still a franchise with a lot of value, particularly the prime brokerage business, which is what JPMorgan is after,'' said William Fitzpatrick, who helps manage $1.6 billion at Optique Capital Management, including JPMorgan shares. ``That's the crown jewel, and that would fit into JPMorgan's business extremely well.''

Dimon's New York-based firm has suffered fewer losses than rivals during the credit-market contraction, which has prompted $195 billion of writedowns and losses by Wall Streets biggest banks and securities firms.

JPMorgan, the third-largest U.S. bank by assets, has posted $3.7 billion in writedowns, a fraction of the $22.4 billion reported by New York-based Citigroup Inc., the biggest U.S. bank.

Crisis of Confidence

``It'll be perceived as a positive for the markets,'' said E. William Stone, who oversees $77 billion as chief investment strategist at PNC Wealth Management in Philadelphia. ``It puts a floor under all the financials. The longer-term thesis is that the Fed won't let good companies fail based on lack of liquidity and a crisis of confidence.''

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson defended the Fed's bailout today, saying policy makers will do whatever is needed to prevent disruptions in financial markets from hurting the economy. Paulson said he was involved with the discussions on Bear Stearns's future this weekend, without elaborating.

``There's always a decision to be made to say what's best for the stability of the marketplace, the orderliness of the marketplace,'' Paulson said. ``I think we made the right decision.''

Bear Stearns, founded in 1923, survived the Great Depression and first sold shares to the public in 1985. Schwartz, an executive with more than 30 years of experience at Bear Stearns, was the hand-picked choice of his predecessor, James ``Jimmy'' Cayne, 74, who remains non-executive chairman of the firm.

Bridge Game

Cayne stepped down after reporting an $854 million fourth- quarter loss, the first in the company's history. He was at a bridge tournament in Detroit last week as the firm faced speculation about its cash position. Cayne came under fire last July for playing golf and bridge while the hedge funds collapsed.

On a conference call with analysts and investors after the bailout announcement on March 14, Schwartz said the company's book value was ``fundamentally'' unchanged. Clients continued to withdraw funds, he said. The book value was about $80 a share at the end of November.

When Bear Stearns invited potential buyers for detailed presentations by department chiefs yesterday, only JPMorgan and private equity firm J.C. Flowers & Co. showed up, according to people familiar with the talks.

Other Buyers

Other potential buyers, such as Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and HSBC Holdings Plc, which had expressed interest in the past, didn't send representatives. Hundreds of Bear Stearns employees went to work yesterday to help with the sale process and the presentations.

Bear Stearns has offices in cities including London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai, Singapore, Milan and Sao Paulo, according to its Web site.

Joseph Lewis, the second-largest shareholder in Bear Stearns Cos., wasn't planning to reduce his stake, a person close to him said March 11. Lewis, a 71-year-old billionaire, has put in more than $1 billion into the firm since September, paying as much as $150 for a share.

JPMorgan's participation in the bailout follows a long tradition at the bank of stepping in to rescue financial markets from crisis, according to Charles Geisst, the author of ``100 Years on Wall Street.''

The bank has also profited from others' crises. JPMorgan got at least $725 million of revenue for taking on half the energy trades from collapsed hedge fund Amaranth Advisors LLC in 2006.

To contact the reporter on this story: Yalman Onaran in New York at yonaran@bloomberg.net.
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Bear Stearns Sold

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:12:30

At $2.00/share.

This is big news. $2.00 a share. On a Sunday.
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Re: Bear Stearns sold for $270 million... down 97% from Frid

Unread postby gampy » Sun 16 Mar 2008, 21:19:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')s clients pulled $17 billion in two days last week


Just a dumb question, but who would be client for BS?

By that I mean, what does an investment bank actually do?
Provide loans for investment purposes?
Do they keep a bunch of deposits on hand like a regular bank? Both?
It's all very murky to me.

I wonder who the big clients were that pulled out?
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