[dinopello]

I've heard Roscoe Bartlett say many times that what should be promoted is making frugalness sexy or a virtue. That is true. Hard, but true. Basically he is talking about powerdown. Although what has started happening is green consumerism (feel good without really helping). I alternate in optimism and pessimism about the possiblility but I do think it possible if the machine is turned onto the issue. It will take something (multiple things) extreme to turn it. Shortages are the type of thing.

[REDEYE]

Thank you, I_Like_Plants, for introducing me to Joe Bageant. Dunno why I'd never heard of him. Clearly a man on fire. Funny and bitter and furious. And smutty too. A man after my own heart.

[JPL]

When I was a young person growing up in Britian in the 70's, inflation was at 20% and factories & shipyards were closing down at the rate of a dozen day. My grandfather (who remembered the Great Depression) started planting vegetables again.

So what? We also had great music and strangely enough, the sun still rose each morning.

Some people around here need to get out more.

JP

[deMolay]

The mechanical dust is beginning to rust.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '
')It's not dead by any means just going into a different phase.

[peaker_2005]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', ''')Reason ends where faith begins' Cloud9, interesting statement.
Which do you think is more important?
Cheers
Alex