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The Crude Facts: "Crude may be nearing its peak" gas compan

Unread postby roccman » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 10:02:51

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')otal boss Christophe de Margerie warned that oil production may be nearing its peak. He now believes the world will never be able lift production from the current level of 85m barrels per day. One hundred is out of the question, he says, much less the 115m that so many optimists assume. The CEO of ConocoPhillips agrees with him. The oil companies duly announced their 2007 results, and masked in statistics combining oil and gas production was the alarming fact that all, bar Total, had suffered falling oil production. This is not what we expect of an oil-addicted world on course for 115m barrels a day.

The CEO of Hess was the next oil boss to blow a whistle, telling an oil industry conference in Houston that oil companies, oil-producing countries, and consumers need to act now. "Given the long lead times of at least 5-10 years from discovery to production," he said, "an oil crisis is coming and sooner than most people think. Unfortunately, we are behaving in ways that suggest we do not know there is a serious problem."

Sixty per cent of the world's oil production is from countries that have already peaked. As for the tar sands, said John Hess, "their contributions to supply are not material enough to bridge the gap in oil requirements over the next 10 years."

The IEA have been warning during 2007 that non-OPEC oil will peak within a few years, and even making it that far depends on Russia expanding production. But last week in Moscow, a Russian senator voiced doubts that Russia can meet commitments to the west in both oil and gas. Senator Gennady Olenik, an ex-oilman, told a news conference that private companies have not been prospecting in the oil-and-gas rich north since being created in the early 1990s. A former Soviet Minister of Geology, Yevgeny Kozlovsky, backed this up.



Hmmmm...ya think the sheeple are about to look up?
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby camefromthecorn » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 10:26:00

Like a flock birds evading a predator.

I'm betting another seizable rise in price soon.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby Starvid » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 18:26:56

Definitely radical!

But...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e now believes the world will never be able lift production from the current level of 85m barrels per day.
Aren't we at 87m already?

edit: Saw no source of the Total guy believeing we would never surpass 85...
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby americandream » Thu 06 Mar 2008, 23:02:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'D')efinitely radical!

But...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e now believes the world will never be able lift production from the current level of 85m barrels per day.
Aren't we at 87m already?

edit: Saw no source of the Total guy believeing we would never surpass 85...


You need to polish up on your understanding of the nuances of the English language. The figure 85 represents the general threshold at which this person is directing their opinion, give or take some reasonable movement beyond that figure.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby bl00k » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:12:02

We are being bombarded with these kinds of oil-is-running-out-reports. And honestly i'm getting tired of this already. When is The S gonna H The F??
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:37:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'D')efinitely radical!

But...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e now believes the world will never be able lift production from the current level of 85m barrels per day.
Aren't we at 87m already?

edit: Saw no source of the Total guy believeing we would never surpass 85...


You need to polish up on your understanding of the nuances of the English language. The figure 85 represents the general threshold at which this person is directing their opinion, give or take some reasonable movement beyond that figure.
Uh... what?

The article states quite clearly that Margerie belives we will never surpass 85m (which we have already done). When you look in the source material, he claims no such thing.

What he does say is that we won't reach 100m.

Get your facts straight.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bl00k', 'W')e are being bombarded with these kinds of oil-is-running-out-reports. And honestly i'm getting tired of this already. When is The S gonna H The F??
Sometime between 2008 and 2018.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby killJOY » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 16:49:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are being bombarded with these kinds of oil-is-running-out-reports. And honestly i'm getting tired of this already. When is The S gonna H The F??


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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:24:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are being bombarded with these kinds of oil-is-running-out-reports. And honestly i'm getting tired of this already. When is The S gonna H The F??


Either you're rich and prices don't affect you, or you're not paying attention.


I think he's asking when will the currently being crushed poor start burning the town down. Things are getting harder for some but we're still far from a SHTF situation.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:33:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Starvid', 'D')efinitely radical!

But...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e now believes the world will never be able lift production from the current level of 85m barrels per day.
Aren't we at 87m already?

edit: Saw no source of the Total guy believeing we would never surpass 85...


The increase to 87 mpbd is likely due to a drawdown in OPEC stocks, not an increase in production. We all know that can't last forever.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Saudi Arabia's sharply increased output since November is largely the result of the release of crude oil from stocks rather than an increase in production, he added.

"The Saudis have a lot of crude that's already been produced. December was the first time last year where they actually redirected from stocks," Gerber said.


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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby seahorse2 » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:34:18

Starvid,

We did breach 85mbpd in Nov and Dec 07, however, there there are two problems with this figure: (1) that is total liquids production which includes products other than crude; (2) Petrologistics reported that the increase was the result of Saudi emptying their tanks farms and was not the result of new production. Again, as usual, only time will tell.
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 17:43:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'S')tarvid,

We did breach 85mbpd in Nov and Dec 07, however, there there are two problems with this figure: (1) that is total liquids production which includes products other than crude; (2) Petrologistics reported that the increase was the result of Saudi emptying their tanks farms and was not the result of new production. Again, as usual, only time will tell.


If you just include crude oil, then isn't it way below 85, more like 75 ?

I don't know myself, just skimming old oildrum articles

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3660
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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 19:56:13

85 million, 87 million, whatever.

It's the same number.

It might change the actual date of the peak but it has relatively little impact on the situation.

The truth of the matter is that we are currently riding a plateau of production.

Does it really matter where the data points line up? The general trend is a decrease in production from current levels over the next decade (and from now on...)

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Re: The Crude Fact

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 07 Mar 2008, 20:06:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '8')5 million, 87 million, whatever.

It's the same number.


Good point, but we're not discussing semantics - we're discussing two different things. It has not been proven that more than 85 mbpd can be produced, which is the assertion of those trying to refute past estimates. A victory has been claimed where there is none.
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