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Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
by HEADER_RACK » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 18:44:38
Coming to a town near you. To go with those camps: link
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Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
by jasonraymondson » Mon 03 Mar 2008, 19:30:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'C')oming to a town near you. To go with those camps: link
That part with the fake protesters was really enlightning. What happens if you lock somebody to a table and use that weapon. Effective torture device if you ask me
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Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
by Cid_Yama » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 01:44:56
<i>Clearly, if the economy were to slide into a deep depression, it would no longer be feasible to keep 2.25 million non-producing people locked up, so I don't see an increase in the incarceration rate unless these camps will be turned into slave labor camps (i.e. Burma).</i>
Or Death Camps (i.e. Nazi Germany)
Or Death Camps (i.e. Nazi Germany)
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Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
by Cid_Yama » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 01:59:17
House passes bill to create new Un-American Activities Committee. The McCarthy era has returned. This time sponsored by a Democrat.
The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.
The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6.
Harman’s bill is called the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.” 1955When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs.
Who will be on the “extremist beliefs” list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration’s wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration’s use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration’s spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.
This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, “our” elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an “Extremist Belief Commission” for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.
That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he’s a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can’t fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security. We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.
President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the “untamed fire of freedom” to “reach the darkest corners of our world.” Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.
The light of liberty has gone out in the United States:
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Martin Niemoeller, a priest and Member of the Council of the German Protestant Church, who spent himself 8 years in Nazi concentration camps, said this on the Nazi era: "When the Nazis started arresting the communists, I remained silent, for I was no communist. When they arrested the social democrats, I did not speak out, for I was no social democrat. When they imprisoned the trade unionists, I kept my mouth shut, for I was no trade unionist. When they took the Jews, I said nothing, for I was not Jewish. When they came to take me, there was no one left to speak out."
"When the concentration camps were opened it was the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?" Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
We preferred to keep silent. We are certainly not without guilt/fault, and I ask myself again and again, what would have happened, if in the year 1933 or 1934 - there must have been a possibility - 14,000 Protestant pastors and all Protestant communities in Germany had defended the truth until their deaths? If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Goring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die. I can imagine that perhaps 30,000 to 40,000 Protestant Christians would have had their heads cut off, but I can also imagine that we would have rescued 30-40 million people."
Another truth respecting the vigilance with which a free people should guard their liberty, that deserves to be carefully observed, is this--that a <i>real tyranny</i> may prevail in a state, while the <i>forms</i> of a free constitution remain.
John Dickinson (Emphasis per original.)("Notes" in Political Writings)
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The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.
The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6.
Harman’s bill is called the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.” 1955When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs.
Who will be on the “extremist beliefs” list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration’s wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration’s use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration’s spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.
This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, “our” elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an “Extremist Belief Commission” for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.
That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he’s a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can’t fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security. We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.
President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the “untamed fire of freedom” to “reach the darkest corners of our world.” Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.
The light of liberty has gone out in the United States:
link
link
Martin Niemoeller, a priest and Member of the Council of the German Protestant Church, who spent himself 8 years in Nazi concentration camps, said this on the Nazi era: "When the Nazis started arresting the communists, I remained silent, for I was no communist. When they arrested the social democrats, I did not speak out, for I was no social democrat. When they imprisoned the trade unionists, I kept my mouth shut, for I was no trade unionist. When they took the Jews, I said nothing, for I was not Jewish. When they came to take me, there was no one left to speak out."
"When the concentration camps were opened it was the year 1933, and the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians - "should I be my brother's keeper?" Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. - I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? -- Only then did the church as such take note. Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible? The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.
We preferred to keep silent. We are certainly not without guilt/fault, and I ask myself again and again, what would have happened, if in the year 1933 or 1934 - there must have been a possibility - 14,000 Protestant pastors and all Protestant communities in Germany had defended the truth until their deaths? If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Goring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die. I can imagine that perhaps 30,000 to 40,000 Protestant Christians would have had their heads cut off, but I can also imagine that we would have rescued 30-40 million people."
Another truth respecting the vigilance with which a free people should guard their liberty, that deserves to be carefully observed, is this--that a <i>real tyranny</i> may prevail in a state, while the <i>forms</i> of a free constitution remain.
John Dickinson (Emphasis per original.)("Notes" in Political Writings)
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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it." - Patrick Henry
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Re: Former Congressman Warns Of Martial Law Camps In America
by Schneider » Tue 04 Mar 2008, 03:49:51
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'C')oming to a town near you. To go with those camps: link
I wonder how it would react with a aluminum shield or if the ray emitter could be destroyed with non metallic projectiles (obviously the plywood didn't burned and it seem to react to water molecule?).
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Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by oswald622 » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 19:41:47
I wrote the following to a local paper in California's Central Valley, where foreclosure rates are among the highest in the country. They wouldn't print it, though, because it exceeded the word limit. Still, I thought I might as well publish it somewhere...
As I read the Letters to the Editor today (March 12), I couldn't help but notice a theme running through the Opinions pages: a Ms. Olive from Turlock laments that she seems to be living in a Third World country; a Ms. Baker from Modesto speaks of former neighbors living in their cars, due to the "economy's spiraling nosedive"; and Bob Herbert's syndicated column predicts that "the American dream as we know it will expire." Heavy stuff, no doubt.
In fact, it all reminded me of a piece the Bee ran on January 17, which reported that the Military Commissions Act and the Defense Authorization Act signed last year could deny US citizens the right of habeas corpus and permit the President to deploy troops on home soil - in order to "suppress public disorder." The headline asked, rather appropriately, whether we are seeing a "creep toward martial law."
On one hand, then, we have a disintegrating economy teetering on the brink of the abyss, and on the other we have a Federal Government led by an Executive Branch that has been chipping away at civil liberties, bypassing Constitutional safeguards, and consolidating State power - very persistently, very deliberately, and very effectively, ever since the events of September 11, 2001 (quite conveniently) gave it carte blanche to pursue the prerogatives and privileges of worldly might. Ah, what happy coincidence!
It is much like Congress's reform of the bankruptcy laws a few years back, which made debt relief far more inaccessible to the American consumer. Why, it's almost as if Congress and the creditors knew that an economic poo-storm was coming down the pike - three years ahead of time!
One can only hope that our policy makers cease to enjoy any more such bouts of far-sighted success: H.R. 1955, which the House passed last year, seeks to prevent "Homegrown Terrorism"; while in 2006 the Department of Homeland Security granted a Halliburton subsidiary $385 million for the construction of "detention facilities" in the event of a national emergency.
Perhaps, then, if they are lucky, our growing numbers of car-dwellers and nouveaux-pauvres will find new residence in Halliburton's cozy digs - they need merely raise the voice of their collective discontent until it reaches the pitch of a "national emergency."
As I read the Letters to the Editor today (March 12), I couldn't help but notice a theme running through the Opinions pages: a Ms. Olive from Turlock laments that she seems to be living in a Third World country; a Ms. Baker from Modesto speaks of former neighbors living in their cars, due to the "economy's spiraling nosedive"; and Bob Herbert's syndicated column predicts that "the American dream as we know it will expire." Heavy stuff, no doubt.
In fact, it all reminded me of a piece the Bee ran on January 17, which reported that the Military Commissions Act and the Defense Authorization Act signed last year could deny US citizens the right of habeas corpus and permit the President to deploy troops on home soil - in order to "suppress public disorder." The headline asked, rather appropriately, whether we are seeing a "creep toward martial law."
On one hand, then, we have a disintegrating economy teetering on the brink of the abyss, and on the other we have a Federal Government led by an Executive Branch that has been chipping away at civil liberties, bypassing Constitutional safeguards, and consolidating State power - very persistently, very deliberately, and very effectively, ever since the events of September 11, 2001 (quite conveniently) gave it carte blanche to pursue the prerogatives and privileges of worldly might. Ah, what happy coincidence!
It is much like Congress's reform of the bankruptcy laws a few years back, which made debt relief far more inaccessible to the American consumer. Why, it's almost as if Congress and the creditors knew that an economic poo-storm was coming down the pike - three years ahead of time!
One can only hope that our policy makers cease to enjoy any more such bouts of far-sighted success: H.R. 1955, which the House passed last year, seeks to prevent "Homegrown Terrorism"; while in 2006 the Department of Homeland Security granted a Halliburton subsidiary $385 million for the construction of "detention facilities" in the event of a national emergency.
Perhaps, then, if they are lucky, our growing numbers of car-dwellers and nouveaux-pauvres will find new residence in Halliburton's cozy digs - they need merely raise the voice of their collective discontent until it reaches the pitch of a "national emergency."
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by gampy » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 20:42:23
Nice. Sums things up pretty good.
The Cheney cabal knows the score. Continuity of government, indeed. I know that sounds brutally cynical, but what is "coming down the pike" is going to be brutal. It's possible that all this is done with good intention. Perhaps it might actually be effective in keeping the United States whole. Although why anyone would wish to create a fascist, totalitarian state in the "name of continuity" is beyond me. If the grand experiment can't survive depression, social unrest, and severe/abrupt change, maybe it's not so grand.
The Cheney cabal knows the score. Continuity of government, indeed. I know that sounds brutally cynical, but what is "coming down the pike" is going to be brutal. It's possible that all this is done with good intention. Perhaps it might actually be effective in keeping the United States whole. Although why anyone would wish to create a fascist, totalitarian state in the "name of continuity" is beyond me. If the grand experiment can't survive depression, social unrest, and severe/abrupt change, maybe it's not so grand.
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by threadbear » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 20:44:47
Very well done. You write beautifully. One needn't be a wild eyed conspiracy theorists to connect the dots here. They only have to stretch the concertina wire from one set of probabilities to the next.
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by ColossalContrarian » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 20:49:19
You've got it nailed IMO. Congress, The President, Peakoil.com, and many, many others have seen this coming down the pike for awhile now.
The laws put in place will become reality for indebted many Americans over the next few years. The first will be the bankruptcy laws, next the Military Commissions Act as Foreclosed Merkins become disruptive, and finally the Patriot Act and Home Grown Terrorism Laws. It won't be pretty to be in debt in the US of A!!!
Thanks for posting this. It'll be very educational to watch "The Man" flexes his muscles over the next few years as his might manifests with his new “Performance Enhancing Laws” coming into play!
The laws put in place will become reality for indebted many Americans over the next few years. The first will be the bankruptcy laws, next the Military Commissions Act as Foreclosed Merkins become disruptive, and finally the Patriot Act and Home Grown Terrorism Laws. It won't be pretty to be in debt in the US of A!!!
Thanks for posting this. It'll be very educational to watch "The Man" flexes his muscles over the next few years as his might manifests with his new “Performance Enhancing Laws” coming into play!
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by FourOfSwords » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 21:01:30
Oswald622, well said...and immensely sad...we go out with a whimper not a bang. 
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by sittinguy » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 21:45:10
Very good,, All though I could be in trouble pretty quick if I lost my job. But there are a crap load of young people that are lazy sons a bitches and have a huge sence of entitlement. Others up to their eyeballs in debt. I'm fine with them having camps for these losers.
Collossal, has it right, it ain't gonna be pretty to be in debt soon. It cost OVER $50 to fill up my Camry the other day. The long slow shit slide is going to wear people down to the point of paralasis by the end of this year if gas and food price keep creeping up. Its amazing that I watch my friends, and they just keep chugging along having fun.
My freinds that were in south carolina, almost walked away, but were lucky enough to sell their house for a low price at the last minute. They had not made a pmt in many months. While they were there they couldn't afford the truck pmt either but the bank was more than happy to change the terms of their loan to intrest only if they would just please keep the truck. When they left they gave up the truck. So they got about 30k out of the deal and are back here in Florida where they started. Bought the grandmothers old house that was still in the family. They went from 3000 sq ft to 1000 sq ft. used most of the money to fix up the old house. But also bought a used boat right away. and are out buzzing around in the boat having a good old time. All the while deep in debt, the house still isn't finished WTF.
I won't be sharing my chicken ala king with them.
Collossal, has it right, it ain't gonna be pretty to be in debt soon. It cost OVER $50 to fill up my Camry the other day. The long slow shit slide is going to wear people down to the point of paralasis by the end of this year if gas and food price keep creeping up. Its amazing that I watch my friends, and they just keep chugging along having fun.
My freinds that were in south carolina, almost walked away, but were lucky enough to sell their house for a low price at the last minute. They had not made a pmt in many months. While they were there they couldn't afford the truck pmt either but the bank was more than happy to change the terms of their loan to intrest only if they would just please keep the truck. When they left they gave up the truck. So they got about 30k out of the deal and are back here in Florida where they started. Bought the grandmothers old house that was still in the family. They went from 3000 sq ft to 1000 sq ft. used most of the money to fix up the old house. But also bought a used boat right away. and are out buzzing around in the boat having a good old time. All the while deep in debt, the house still isn't finished WTF.
I won't be sharing my chicken ala king with them.
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by BigTex » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 02:50:06
Two words:
Cascading Failure
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by Cloud9 » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 08:27:58
What will we get out of this mess? Will it be a Roosevelt, Stalin or Hitler?
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by wisconsin_cur » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 08:55:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'W')hat will we get out of this mess? Will it be a Roosevelt, Stalin or Hitler?
Sort of reminds me of the connect the things that are alike with a line test we had in primary school:
Hilllary = ?
Obama = ?
McCain = ?
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by vision-master » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 10:47:26
Wake up!
You can't remember where it was
Has this dream stopped?
The snake was pale gold
Glazed and shrunken
We were afraid to touch it
The sheets were hot dead prisons
And she was beside me, old,
She's, no; young.
He dark red hair
Her white soft skin
Now, run to the mirror in the bathroom,
Look!
She's coming in here.
I can't live thru each slow century of her moving
I let my cheek slide down
The cool smooth tile
Feel the good cold stinging blood
The smooth hissing snakes of rain...
You can't remember where it was
Has this dream stopped?
The snake was pale gold
Glazed and shrunken
We were afraid to touch it
The sheets were hot dead prisons
And she was beside me, old,
She's, no; young.
He dark red hair
Her white soft skin
Now, run to the mirror in the bathroom,
Look!
She's coming in here.
I can't live thru each slow century of her moving
I let my cheek slide down
The cool smooth tile
Feel the good cold stinging blood
The smooth hissing snakes of rain...
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Re: Foreclosures-->National Emergency-->Martial Law?
by roccman » Sat 22 Mar 2008, 12:01:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', ' ')It won't be pretty to be in debt in the US of A!!!
It won't be pretty to be white, black or brown...
It won't be pretty to be christian, jew, or muslim...
It won't be pretty to be gay, straight, or bi...
It won't be pretty to believe 911 was an inside job...
It won't be pretty to believe the Constitution is ok to read...
It won't be pretty to believe the endless war on terror is mindless...
Unless you tow the party line...it won't be pretty...and that line will be moved constantly...so you better keep up with the changes.
Believing being out of debt will inoculate one from the ugliness is smug and naive thinking. The pain will be broad and intense...every living being on this planet will endure a certain degree of pain...those "out of debt" (if there is such a thing...[that I believe there is not])...will not be spared nor is being out of debt an assured ticket to "freedom"...(if there is such a thing...).
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