[Flowerr]

Righteous. Chomsky eats the illuminaughty for breakfast.

[lys3rg0]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'O')r are you just upset that such ideas could be eloquently and persuasively made?

[Hawkcreek]

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[Flowerr]

Only people who own property should vote.
We need to repeal amendment #14.
This will insure the illegals will never vote us off our land.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'O')r are you just upset that such ideas could be eloquently and persuasively made?

[lys3rg0]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'K')eep your hate. Lets see where it gets you.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')r are you just upset that such ideas could be eloquently and persuasively made?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3')The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5Now(C) in the Law Moses commanded us(D) to stone such women. So what do you say?" 6This they said(E) to test him,(F) that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, (G) "Let him who is without sin among you(H) be the first to throw a stone at her." 8And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, (I) "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on(J) sin no more."]]

[PenultimateManStanding]

Hey efarmer, that was eloquence to make Buckley proud. Well done.

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
')I measure evil by what people do because I believe they have a right to speech and I refuse to think of the exercise of a right as evil. Action is evil. Did he lynch someone? Did he turn people away from the polls?

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '
')
That's why the question how to deal with intolerance by tolerance is completely unresolved. Hatred towards Jews after the war was huge, and Poles killed thousands of Jews during 1945-1947. Hate in speech changed many times to bloodbath.
I can be a knight of freedom of speech on this board (I can block some users), I can't be in front of group of nazi skinheads on the street.

If angry mob would gather around your property with torches singing about your near death, raping your wife are you going to defend them? I require frank answer.

Violence exists, and words can be violent... it's sobering fact.

[wisconsin_cur]

the more I think about this discussion, the more enlightening I find it.

Villifying the speech maker, as is done in Europe, is a response to WW 2 and the crimes that pretty much everyone except the victims participated in. If we blame the speech makers, if we cast them with some evil power that must silenced not with the disapproval of the populace but the rule of law and imprisonment of the state, then the general population is allowed to think of itself as victim of the talking classes.

If one is victim of the persuasiveness of others, one must not take full and complete responsibility for the actions or acquiesence. It is a sociological example of scapegoating: we will fear and sacrifice the eloquent for their bad ideas rather than own up to our own bad behavior.

this will allow us to continue to look down upon the Americans for segregation while ignoring our complacency during Shoah. Yes 50 years ago my ancestors were complacent in segregation (I come from northerners) and my countrymen repressed blacks, murdering some of them, across the south east. 50 years after Buckley's quote we can still allow Klan members to speak (David Duke) and we seem about to elect a black man, the son of an African immigrant, to the Presidency.

I will compare that record to any in Europe and it comes from free speech, even wrong speech. Words can incite to violence, they can work to intimidate but whether or not they work is a judgment on the people listening to them. Sooner or later Europe will need to learn to trust its own people to speak, and not rejoice in the death of others just because they did not like their words.

Freedom of speech is a product of confidence in people to judge ideas on their own, to be brave when need be and resist evil words when need be. It seems to me that many in Europe lack that confidence.

I for one am confident enough to be proud to live in a country where Barak Obama, David Duke, George W. Bush and WFB all have the right to speak. It does not mean that we do not make mistakes but when we do make them we say, "We were wrong for believing and following" and not, "they were wrong for speaking."

[PenultimateManStanding]

Wow, wisconsin cur. that was inspiring. I'm sure Bill would have admired it too. Now that he's gone, I hope we can agree to wish him to RIP. btw, I like your Bobby D quote, too. That guy is amazing. There's no right, there's no left.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '[')So I refuse to revel in the death of someone who used the gift of freedom of speech so well. I can tip my hat, even to my opponent, even when he has bested me in debate.

[jedinvest]

William F. Buckley. What a man. Until the very end, producing specious arguments for incorrect opinions. I think he is a case: How much integrity can you have when all one's arguments are pure sophistry?

No one wants to deny him the right to speak. But he should have been ridiculed and laughed at rather than admired.

William F. Buckley on Global Warming

[coonskincapp]

He is one of the elite.

Whenever all the papers give an acknowledgment, then you know he is a hot air hose.

All the elite are sources of total misinformation and misogyny.