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If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issue..

Unread postby Narz » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:27:39

...what would it be & where would you stage it? (2nd one optional)

If you wouldn't really do one or think they're stupid or whatever just play along.

There is no guarentee it would work but it would certainly raise awareness about your issue.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:43:58

Maybe in the future I would do a hunger strike to protest that we've all completely run out of food.

I mean, instead of eating somebody... which would be the only other option.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby roccman » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 00:55:39

Somewhat germane to this concept...

For the past 15 years I fast for a week.

I do it primarily to renew the food/energy relationship.

Humans were/are gorge animals - fasting for long periods of time use to be the norm.

3 squares a day is excessive.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby Narz » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:17:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')omewhat germane to this concept...

For the past 15 years I fast for a week.

I do it primarily to renew the food/energy relationship.

Humans were/are gorge animals - fasting for long periods of time use to be the norm.

3 squares a day is excessive.

I agree. I would like to do that but I haven't had the discipline.

Do you take the week off & go out into the wild or just continue you're normal routine?
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby BigTex » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:26:24

Why would I go on a hunger strike? There's probably not anything, but if pressed I would pick something that nobody cares about but that no one could argue with either. Something like a national holiday to celebrate the moon landing. It would simply be called Moon Day.

Where would I do it? Definitely a 24 hour restaurant.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:33:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')omewhat germane to this concept...

For the past 15 years I fast for a week.

I do it primarily to renew the food/energy relationship.

Humans were/are gorge animals - fasting for long periods of time use to be the norm.

3 squares a day is excessive.


I'm considering fasting, but just as a matter of improving discipline and making myself tougher. Do you think it's made you tougher, more able to deal with difficulties?
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby roccman » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:47:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')omewhat germane to this concept...

For the past 15 years I fast for a week.

I do it primarily to renew the food/energy relationship.

Humans were/are gorge animals - fasting for long periods of time use to be the norm.

3 squares a day is excessive.

I agree. I would like to do that but I haven't had the discipline.

Do you take the week off & go out into the wild or just continue you're normal routine?


I usually take that week off.

It down right hurts and towards the end your senses are pretty clumbsy.

The 6th day is by far the hardest because your brain knows it gets fed in 24 hours.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby roccman » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:49:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FreakOil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'S')omewhat germane to this concept...

For the past 15 years I fast for a week.

I do it primarily to renew the food/energy relationship.

Humans were/are gorge animals - fasting for long periods of time use to be the norm.

3 squares a day is excessive.


I'm considering fasting, but just as a matter of improving discipline and making myself tougher. Do you think it's made you tougher, more able to deal with difficulties?


Tougher?...I don't know...it has given me a heightened level of intellectual clarity about food and its importance.

This year I will try 10 days...

It begins next month so I'll let you know how it went.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 02:08:12

Shanny - "reclaimed" lumber is likely to not have a bunch of weird chemicals in it. And as for pure linseed oil, some of the mail-order artists' supply places will have it in the quantities you'll need.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 02:21:28

You should eat 7 meals a day in order to maintain a proper balance.

I eat at 6:00, 9:30, 12:00, 2:30, 5:00 7:30 and then I have a light healthy snack before bed. Usually Carrot sticks. of course those times are not always 100% accurate. I do leave room for flexibility.

It is usually best to have a protein shake at 6:00 and then run for a mile. Come back home and proceed to do pushups, situps, front, back, go's. After this take a shower and then devote 30 minutes to meditation. Then begin your normal morning routine.


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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby gampy » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 02:57:31

I think hunger strikes are dumb and useless, but like you said, I'll play along. Self-immolation, or some other dramatic form of suicide is probably better at getting attention. Hunger strikes are just not crazy enough or quick enough. A thirst strike is probably more effective. More dramatic, more painful, and quicker. Tough thing to do though. I can't imagine anyone having the will power to dehydrate themselves to death. Ugh.

Ok...trying to think of a good reason to starve myself. Thinking...thinking...ummmm....can't think of a good reason, really.

Seriously.

Only incarcerated people do this. If you are incarcerated, they can force feed you, so it kind of negates the effect. Has anyone ever been successful doing this? Like getting their way? It seems like another way of holding your breath like toddlers do when they want their way.

Like I said, if you are really serious (willing to die)...there are better ways to get some attention.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 03:44:28

Hunger strikes are for hippies who've never actually gone hungry before.

When I was little I was a picky eater. That shit stopped when we started going short on food and I experienced real hunger.

Middle-class crybabies. You wanna protest, dammit, blow something up!
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 23:16:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'Y')ou should eat 7 meals a day in order to maintain a proper balance.

I eat at 6:00, 9:30, 12:00, 2:30, 5:00 7:30 and then I have a light healthy snack before bed. Usually Carrot sticks. of course those times are not always 100% accurate. I do leave room for flexibility.

It is usually best to have a protein shake at 6:00 and then run for a mile. Come back home and proceed to do pushups, situps, front, back, go's. After this take a shower and then devote 30 minutes to meditation. Then begin your normal morning routine.


--- BTW, I am so full of shit. :P


Sounds like way too much work. I'll stick with my cigarettes, meat lover's pizza, beer and ice cream.

I couldn't go on a hunger strike even if you put a gun to my head.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby Narz » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 17:20:16

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/30968

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '8')7-Year Old New Hampshire State Representative Says She Will Not Eat and Is Willing to Die for Impeachment
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2008-02-13 00:52. Impeachment

By Susan Serpa

I just got off the phone with Betty Hall. She is the 14-term State of N.H. representative who has introduced to the state house HR 24 to impeach Bush and Cheney. The public Hearing for the resolution is next Tuesday Feb. 19th (the day after President's day).

She is joining the Code Pink fast.

She is 87 years old and refuses to eat again until Conyers begins impeachment proceedings. She told me "I've had a good life. I can't think of any better way to end it."

Now, before you think I am heartless by "encouraging" this act by announcing it, I know Betty. When she decides to do something, there is no changing her mind - she's going to do it. She will not eat until impeachment proceedings begin in earnest. We owe it to her to make this worth her while. It's time to pull out ALL the stops and get Conyer's ass into gear! We cannot let this clear-headed, heroic woman sacrifice herself.


Wonder how that'll turn out.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby BigTex » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 17:24:52

She should pair up with David Blaine. She could starve herself and David could do one of his over the top stunts like burying himself for a month in a coffin or something.

That would probably get them both better media synergy.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby mekrob » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 19:23:12

I'd do it for awareness of the environmental degradation that is caused by massive amounts of eating (as well as the things we eat). That way, even if I don't get any attention, I still accomplish my goal a little bit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the past 15 years I fast for a week.


So you do an actual fast? I "fast" once a year for a month, but it's not nearly as hardcore as not eating at all (instead, only not during daylight hours).

As for being tougher, that's a bit of a reason I did it before I was Muslim. It doesn't so much make you tougher and more appreciative of the food and other things that you receive and much better able to handle situations. I actual hate myself a little when the fasting is over since I tend to forget all of the things that I learn when I fast such as appreciation of what so many people go through everyday.

Usually the 4th or 5th day is the hardest. After about a week, I tend to not even notice that I'm fasting unless I forgot to wake up early enough for breakfast; then I'd get a nice reminder around early-mid afternoon.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') usually take that week off.


Can I ask what you do?

At least for partial fasting (Ramadan), it seems to go easiest when you are really busy so you don't have time to think about food or water. Sitting at home on the weekends (with nothing/little to do) just kills me because you know 10 feet away is a nice hot meal.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby billg » Wed 20 Feb 2008, 21:29:06

Great thread idea!

I think the issue that is top on my mind right now is how to facilitate a radical reduction in world population necessary to adapt to the realities of peak oil and climate change without resorting to violence. I really think it is important to remove the taboo on assisted suicide not only for the terminally ill, but also for people who are starving, economically desperate or have essentially lost the will to live. Suicides rates are bound to increase anyway, so why should we force people to resort to less savory ways of dying like hanging, gunshots, jumping from heights, etc..

A lot of these methods are not full-proof and often end up disabling a person rather than killing him/her. The expense of taking care of these maimed people just adds insult to injury. Also, a sudden very violent suicide can have a incredibly destabilizing demoralizing effect on friends and relatives. It would be better to provide people with the information and the tools that will allow them to do it in a way that provides for a more pain-free peaceful outcome in a supportive environment.

I honestly don't think a hunger strike would make much of a difference, but I would welcome anything that would help to break down this taboo.

I see the problem as mainly being rooted in a lack of understanding of what it means to die and lack of acceptance for people who are making that choice. I have several ideas for how to promote this understanding but I feel that I'm just a minnow fighting upstream against a powerful river of deeply entrenched cultural conditioning.

We are the over-multiplied deer that needs to be culled and it is about time we deal with this reality intelligently and compassionately.

I would appreciate your comments. Please point me to past threads on this topic.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby billg » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 09:36:49

Two other biggies for me are decriminilization of drugs and ending confinement systems for livestock.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby ANewHuman » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 10:43:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'S')o you do an actual fast? I "fast" once a year for a month, but it's not nearly as hardcore as not eating at all (instead, only not during daylight hours).


Pfft, thats not a fast, it's a diet. Millions of americans diet the same way.
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Re: If you were going to go on a hunger strike for some issu

Unread postby Dukkha » Thu 21 Feb 2008, 11:05:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'H')unger strikes are for hippies who've never actually gone hungry before.

When I was little I was a picky eater. That shit stopped when we started going short on food and I experienced real hunger.

Middle-class crybabies. You wanna protest, dammit, blow something up!


The IRA hunger strike(r)s of the early 80s did both and were very successful in radicalising a lot of people. They've been described as many things, but hippies they weren't.
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