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Re: Prius Designer Says Toyota-Led Industry Must Lose Oil Ad

Unread postby aflurry » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 22:32:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('heroineworshipper', 'P')riuses were big last year, but since credit became free again and people got used to $3.50 gas, the SUV's are back.


i don't have the same aversion to regular hybrids as i do to PHEVs, but the gains you get in fuel economy are relatively modest. i don't think it makes a bit of difference whether people are buying SUVs or hybrids if they are still commuting in from the suburbs, driving to the store, living in a neighborhood with no sidewalk, etc.

in fact, driving as SUV might force some people to reorganize their lives quicker out of economic necessity. probably not, but neither will switching to a hybrid.
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Prius Designer Says Industry Must Lose Oil Addiction

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 05:15:17

Prius Designer, "this is what the end of the oil age looks like"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')an. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Reinert, who helped design Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius hybrid, hovers in a helicopter 1,000 feet over Fort McMurray, Alberta. On this clear November morning, he's craning for a look at one of the world's largest petroleum reserves where there's not an oil well in sight.

Instead, in a 2-mile-wide pit below, trucks head to refineries with loads of sand weighing more than Boeing 747s. Yellow flames shoot skyward as 900-degree-Fahrenheit (482- degree-Celsius) heat liquefies any embedded petroleum. Floating scarecrows and propane-powered cannons do their best to chase migrating birds from lethal wastewater ponds.

Eventually, nuclear reactors may surround the crater 270 miles (435 kilometers) northeast of Edmonton, Alberta, delivering the power required to wring oil from sand.

``This is what the end of the age of oil means,'' says Reinert, 60, who plans the vehicles Toyota will make in a quarter century as national manager for advanced technology at the U.S. sales unit in Torrance, California. ``The car-based culture, the business-as-usual of building cars and trucks, is going to change dramatically.''



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Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 23:06:21

Human Rights Watch has appealed to Saudi Arabia to halt the execution of a woman convicted of witchcraft.

Among her accusers was a man who alleged she made him impotent.

Human Rights Watch said that Ms Falih had exhausted all her chances of appealing against her death sentence and she could only now be saved if King Abdullah intervened.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7244579.stm
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 00:32:45

Pathetic frickin reactionary blood suckers!
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 03:07:39

I don't know? But I do have 4 bycycles and a lot of tires as you all should!!.
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby FreakOil » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 05:50:14

The important question is, does she weigh as much as a duck?

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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 06:55:11

The number of oil exporting countries that have a good human rights records is small.
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 12:53:46

I was refering to the belief and prosecution of witchcraft.
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby DomusAlbion » Fri 15 Feb 2008, 13:02:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'I') was refering to the belief and prosecution of witchcraft.


Burning or beheading a witch once a decade or so is just good social hygiene. It keeps the practice underground where it belongs. :P
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Re: Who is the US dependent on for oil?

Unread postby FreakOil » Mon 18 Feb 2008, 00:46:36

One thing we should be reminded of when reading an article like this is that many countries, perhaps the majority, are not modern nation states. They are run like Europe was thousands of years ago. The "Saudi" in Saudi Arabia is from the family name Saud. The country is run by a family! Likewise, the people have antedeluvian beliefs and traditions. Trial by jury? Credible witnesses? Evidence? Forensics? Ha!
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Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby Novus » Thu 15 May 2008, 14:59:28

America needs to wake the hell up. Bush is a dumb chimp and the candidates for President are even dumber. Oil and gas need to be rationed right now and gas taxes doubled or its curtains for the good old USA.
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby Fishman » Thu 15 May 2008, 15:10:23

Seems to ignore that this is a crushing burden for all the rest of the world except oil exporting countries. If we lose power and the rest of the world loses power also, what's the change? This is not like the fall of the Soviets, this is like something never experienced by man.
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 15 May 2008, 18:03:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'S')eems to ignore that this is a crushing burden for all the rest of the world except oil exporting countries.


The entire rest of the world can go down. Russia will return to super power status and the other major oil producers will become powers of their own.


I hate to say it but the best hope the US has is to invade Canada and use our resources to fund major war against the rest of the world.
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby kokoda » Thu 15 May 2008, 18:12:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A')merica needs to wake the hell up. Bush is a dumb chimp and the candidates for President are even dumber. Oil and gas need to be rationed right now and gas taxes doubled or its curtains for the good old USA.


Rationing isn't necessary at this stage ... but a more realistic price structure for fuel is.

Fuel prices should be bought into line with what the rest of the world are paying. Too many years of cheap gas is what has caused a lot of these problems in the first place. If the US used less gas then the price of oil would drop and we might get a few more years of energy security.

America's balance of payments would be better, people would trade their SUVs for more sensible cars, all the soldiers could come home and everyone would be happier.
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby dbruning » Thu 15 May 2008, 18:17:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') hate to say it but the best hope the US has is to invade Canada and use our resources to fund major war against the rest of the world.


Not to be giving the monkeys in charge any ideas, mmmkay?

Besides, we're already working like maniacs to sell it to the US as fast as we can make it...
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby Denny » Thu 15 May 2008, 18:35:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dbruning', 'I') hate to say it but the best hope the US has is to invade Canada and use our resources to fund major war against the rest of the world.


This seem to be just an extension of a failed strategy. Materialism will not bring success. Its time to change our sick and tired economic paradigm in North America, not keep it on life support.

As the Lord says, "What does it profit a man [or a country] If he gains the whole world, but loses his soul." Just look at the failed materialist remnants of history - Rome, the British Empire, Napoleon's France, Hitler's Germany. We must all pray that the U.S.A. never joins this list! But, it seems we are destined to it with the current type of leadership. How ironic, a "Christian" presdent too!
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 16 May 2008, 15:00:53

There is nothing wrong with losing an Empire. Everyone has done it. The US can join the club and it will come as no great loss to the world. The only question is how the US adjusts to its change of status.
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Re: Portrait of an Oil-Addicted Former Superpower

Unread postby Denny » Fri 16 May 2008, 16:07:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'A')merica needs to wake the hell up. Bush is a dumb chimp and the candidates for President are even dumber. Oil and gas need to be rationed right now and gas taxes doubled or its curtains for the good old USA.


The U.S. needs some oil shock therapy now to get lifestyles on track for survival in a near term future of constrained oil. It did it before in war time, and can do it again.
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FT: US begins to break foreign oil ‘addiction’

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