[EnviroEngr]

You, or whoever, can play with these whilst I pull together the Process Oriented Psychology approach to some of this. But, before I go, a question: have you studied/practiced any of the martial arts?
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[GD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'B')ut, before I go, a question: have you studied/practiced any of the martial arts?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')aby peanut, do you have dreams in which Ailrickson is sucking your . . .

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'B')ut, before I go, a question: have you studied/practiced any of the martial arts?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
') but I thought that if I repeated a mantra enough, that it would become imbedded into my subconcious as a "true" and natural position? I guess I was wrong on that aspect. Now I am wondering why my subconsious desires are in contradiction with my subconsious desires. It seems that I have perfected doublethink if that is indeed the case. And the problem I have with dreams is just that, they are dreams, and have little or no relfection on reality from what I have experienced. If the dreams would in fact be reality, then I would love them.

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o naturally I cling to written communication and get bent out of shape when even that is run into the ground and rendered doubtful. (And yes, of course that means you too Enviroman.)

[PenultimateManStanding]

Thanks for your kind words, enviroman. I was reading your reply to UnknownElement's thread the other day about how stingy and mean women can be as compared to men in similar positions. It was once again the ineffable and labyrinthian that you were trying to put to words. And once again I had trouble understanding what you meant. This time it was different somehow and I found myself smiling as I read it. I think that you are the modern day Edward Lear of internet posting. Charming nonsense, though perhaps some of the blame lies in my own shortcomings. (I did read that post three times I think.) I don't know what neuro-linguistic programming is but it sounds spooky like something out of A Clockwork Orange. Regarding Freud, there has been a whole new round of debate amongst the scholars (such as Frederick Crews mentioned by MikeB at the beginning of this thread) as to the merits of Freud's thought. That's likely to go on for a long time (if peak oil doesn't get us that is.)

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nknownElement's thread

[threadbear]

Neuro linguistic programming. Ah yes. Robert Anton Wilson, John Alexander of non-lethal tech fame, and Al Gore. AL GORE??? Yeah. Weird.

Ingo Swann has some very interesting things to say about language, information "packets", etc... RAW talks of bisociation-very intriguing.

EnviroEngr, What do you mean by newage, is it like New Age? What do you find offensive about it. I personally, am appalled by much of it, but am interested in your take on these people.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KiddieKorral', 'I') had a bizarre dream last night. DC was nuked and I was the only one who wanted to get out of town. Everyone else was completely oblivious, even after I told them what happened.

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'N')euro linguistic programming. Ah yes. Robert Anton Wilson, John Alexander of non-lethal tech fame, and Al Gore. AL GORE??? Yeah. Weird.

Ingo Swann has some very interesting things to say about language, information "packets", etc... RAW talks of bisociation-very intriguing.

EnviroEngr, What do you mean by newage, is it like New Age? What do you find offensive about it. I personally, am appalled by much of it, but am interested in your take on these people.

[threadbear]

Enviro, Thanks. I'll be creating my own reality, anxiously awaiting your next post on the newage.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'E')nviro, Thanks. I'll be creating my own reality, anxiously awaiting your next post on the newage.

[threadbear]

Penultimate, Agreed. This is my problem with them. For all the talk about finding balance, they seem to be unable to find a balance between critical intellectual analysis and intuitive thinking. The interesting thing is either one without the other produces a useless (at best) reality reference. At worst, the narcissistic ideas that come out of newage are tinged with a kind of passive spiritual fascism.

The New Age handling of emotion is a strange phenomenon..

Anger: A negative emotion. Avoid anything that provokes it.

Fear: Same. Fear triggers all of the seven deadly sins. Get over it.

Sorrow: I don't know where they stand on that. But if you have sorrow due to being victimized, well, seeing as we create our own reality, you somehow asked for it.

How fascist and unloving is that? You see someone suffering the horrors of the damned and even if you could do something to help, you won't, because you shouldn't interfere with their karma?

Happiness and serenity: The only authentic redeeming state to be in.

This is completely emotionally retarded and overly simplistic. The lack of subtlety in this thinking, is beyond belief.

Over the last 3 decades, people's whose energies could have been spent being more political and less "spiritual" have been so busy gazing at their own navals, they've been complicit in the rise of the even more goofy but politically astute Christian hard right. Fear and anger should have been hauled out of the emotional attic, to deal with these fundy f'heads, long ago.

The New Age is self-neutering, apolitical. They have created a political vacuum of the self absorbed. There is an expression--Those who don't do politics will have politics done to them.

Boy Penultimate, can I ever yammer on, huh? Think I've got you beat.

I found your post VERY interesting and am glad we're on the same page on this issue.

I consider myself a very spiritual person. But I think at the moment, it is best manifested in trying to acquire political understanding.

This is a great forum for anyone stuck in the house with the flu. Hopefully in the next couple of days, I'll be over this thing and logging in less frequently!

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', 'B')ut, before I go, a question: have you studied/practiced any of the martial arts?

[EnviroEngr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'E')nviro, Thanks. I'll be creating my own reality, anxiously awaiting your next post on the newage.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', ' ')
I could actually follow my thoughts and feelings as they relocated to physical points away from the spine. All the images and sounds flowed with the movements themselves and morphed according to the objective of the posture. When sped up considerably, a kind of no-mindedness happens and the movement does you, instead of you doing it.

Lucid dreaming capabilities quickly follow on the heals of advances in postures and movements. Telekinetic, levitational and clairvoyant experiences in dreams become the rule, not the exception, as I advance through these exercises.

And you?

[PenultimateManStanding]

This is going to start to seem like High Times magazine, I'm afarid. (We had our Penthouse Letters Thread already so what the heck) First let me say that I know people wha have never been able to shake the marijuana habit all their adult lives. I only smoked on any regular basis when I was in High School and for a couple of years after that. Since then its only been occasional and not much at all for the past 15- 20 years. But it is addictive for many and can lead to a doped up life. Back in the early eighties I worked in the oil industry as a service engineer running explosives down-hole for drill stem testing on exploratory wells. My company, a division of Schlumberger, would send me and a bunch of other testers down to Houston, Texas for training. After all day cramming our heads with tech stuff, we would all hop into the company Van and head for the famous Houston Strip Bars. Back in the early eighties there was so much money in that town that strip bars popped up on every other corner and the prettiest girls from all up and down the Red States (heh, heh) would go work as strippers to make a pile of money. Well, one night one of the guys from Utah shared some hashish and we all got stoned before touring the clubs. So we're all stoned watching the dancers and I got into a state of mind which was another one of those one-time deals never to be repeated. I was so high and the girls were so pretty that I got into a kind of mysterious psychic rapport with them. Though I did watch their bodies it was mostly their faces that was drawing me in, particularly their eyes. They started to come over to our table after their dances to run their fingers through my hair once and then walk away while I was watching the next dancer. The next day one of the guys said to me 'I don't know what you were doing but the girls were all over you.' I don't have a long history of great success with the opposite sex and I've had plenty of disappointments in that area, but that was one hell of a night.

[GD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') was wondering if Pen-man or anyone else knew this and/or could speak to it at length knowingly. But, you may be the better person to ask. Are you familiar with the yoga behind your martial arts? The no-mind state and the dream state share a lot of similarities when I practice them as a detached observer. Lucid dreaming capabilities quickly follow on the heals of advances in postures and movements. Telekinetic, levitational and clairvoyant experiences in dreams become the rule, not the exception, as I advance through these exercises.

And you?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GD', ' ')you would be able to do it lying down and tensing and relaxing different parts of your body separately (taking your mind there) in conjunction with breathing. Then you can work on specific points of tension again. Eventually you will get to that point where you’re relaxed all over.