Imagine my surprise!
I painted my ass green and photosynthesized my way to jesus.
Hear my delight as doom descends.
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Peak oil is over
Re: Peak oil is over
by moobradidi » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 21:36:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('namenick', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mark', 'm')oobradidi, you have failed to understand the reality of peak oil. Like so many others you are looking for solutions to the symptom. Let me state this more clearly. Peak oil is a symptom. Over-population is a symptom. Peak everything is a symptom. Those looking for solutions to symptoms are forever chasing rainbows.
He may be a little more optimistic than some of us Mark, but then on the other hand he's not denying peak oil in the least and that's good. So he's one of us regardless of whether he sees himself that way or not because he acknowledges that it's going to get tough when the oil starts to run out. Therefore I would say that we should welcome him to the club but ask him to substantiate some of his claims that there will be scientific discoveries that will come to our rescue befor the whole human population is dead and gone.
Personally I would agree with him on that extreme not taking place and have not found anything to debate on his optimism yet. After all, he does admit that things will get tough. He could be even more pessimistic in his views than the rest of us. A doom and gloomer perhaps?
And after all Mark, how seriously should we take a person who starts a thread which claims that peak oil is over and then admits
that it's going to be tough or unpleasant on this plan(e)t?
If this technology pans out soon in even small ways and we
obtain some other efficiencies, peak oil in terms of its impact could
well never happen. That doesn't mean that the reality of less
available oil will disappear, just that it won't matter.
I think there's a good chance of this. That's not to say that we
won't continue to have a growing negative impact on the planet,
but it can be slowed and in some precious cases like habitat
maybe even reversed.
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Re: Peak oil is over
by moobradidi » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 21:37:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I')magine my surprise!
I painted my ass green and photosynthesized my way to jesus.
Hear my delight as doom descends.
I painted my ass green and photosynthesized my way to jesus.
Hear my delight as doom descends.
I hear u brother.
Anything is it helps.
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Re: Peak oil is over
by Narz » Sun 27 Jan 2008, 21:58:50
I have to admit, it would be cool to have my computer hooked up to my juicer & be able to run it off the pulp. 
“Seek simplicity but distrust it”
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Re: Peak oil is over
by americandream » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 03:32:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('moobradidi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')his genie is out of the bottle and isn't going back. Whether the technology will translate to the scope and breadth of application to tackle the current problems and whether it is scaleable are two major hurdles to leap. In addition, whether it will be benign enough to have a risk free application is another. We simply do not know.
However, the ultimate question is whether we are contented with seeing narcissistic capitalism enjoy another period of unassailable supremacy and is the one I suspect plaguing most minds from the responses I have read. I detect a weariness with this system, a sense of disconnect. Consequently, the question of what technology we use to improve the quality of life of our species is not the core issue. That issue really is what sort of system do we believe will deliver us that quality. In the process, we would have to ask ourselves, what do we expect of that system and is it capable of maintaining a modicum of lifestyle quality.
In answering that question, remember every system rises from the foundations of what preceded it. No system stands entirely unblemished from the past. We have only to look at the history of mankind to see this fact.
However, the ultimate question is whether we are contented with seeing narcissistic capitalism enjoy another period of unassailable supremacy and is the one I suspect plaguing most minds from the responses I have read. I detect a weariness with this system, a sense of disconnect. Consequently, the question of what technology we use to improve the quality of life of our species is not the core issue. That issue really is what sort of system do we believe will deliver us that quality. In the process, we would have to ask ourselves, what do we expect of that system and is it capable of maintaining a modicum of lifestyle quality.
In answering that question, remember every system rises from the foundations of what preceded it. No system stands entirely unblemished from the past. We have only to look at the history of mankind to see this fact.
Much of this is values based. The world is far from perfect. Always has been. It's debatable whether it was actually worse in the past. From a human standpoint it could well have been.
When it comes to practicalities, the species has little use for whether it feels disconnected right now. It has and always will want to survive.
We are indeed a virus on the planet, on a growth binge, but we
deserve this no less than insects of any other successful life form.
In the end nature is indifferent. Life will always be here in some
form and nature couldn't care less what it is. Just as long as it is.
So if we're a smart virus we owe it to ourselves to keep going.
Narcissistic capitalism isn't perfect, but depending on your values
medieval slavery was worse.
Perhaps. Time will be the ultimate arbiter.
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