[TWilliam]

Ahhh yes... Affluenza...

Here's the PBS program by the same name.

Good stuff... (the program, not the disease)

[Chesire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chesire', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') just went through ch. 7 a few months ago. The new law isn't that big of a problem. Really it's just an issue if your annual income is over the median in your state. The credit counseling is a joke.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', 'N')ot that it matters, but aren't you a medical doctor? You have one of the best-paying and most secure jobs in the nation. Why would anyone of that status have to file Ch. 7? Dumping your student loans?

[Cloud9]

I filed chapter 7 when my contractor took my construction loan and went on vacation. Nothing to feel bad about Smallpoxgirl. Banks are everything Jessy James said they were.

[clammm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Prince', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'F')irst of all SPG is a woman living in Montana so the fast car/fast lifestyle thing isn't her style.

I don't think it's overspending that leads to problems, it's the malpractice insurance.

A friend of mine's dad was a chiropractic doctor but lost his business because the malpractice insurance was driving him into bankruptcy.

Now he's a nurse with a M.D.

[smallpoxgirl]

Starting a practice is like starting any other business. You're going to loose money for a while. In the long term, a lot of the financial issues boil down to patient volumes. If you're willing to schedule 30 patients in an 8 hour day you're going to make a lot more money than if you're trying to schedule 15 patients in a day. Your office rent is going to be about the same. Your malpractice is going to be the same. Your student loans are going to be the same. Clearly the margin is a lot higher with higher patient volumes. The problem is that it makes for crappy medicine. Patients don't get the attention they deserve. Physicians are harried and rushing all day long. Things get overlooked. I've given up a lot in my life for this field. Being poor isn't that big of an imposition. Realistically, long term, I can expect maybe $70,000 a year pre-tax out of this practice. I'm ok with that. It's a lot less than most doctors make, but I'm not most doctors.

As for me wining and dining and living the high life....I drive a 93 Saturn with 180,000 miles on it. I live in a 170 square foot rented cabin that has running water 6 months per year. I have a fifth of Jack Daniels that been sitting on my shelf for over a year and is still half full...so no.

[I_Like_Plants]

Goddamnit Smallpoxgirl, you're a DOCTOR you should know it's "lose" not "loose". sheesh!

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for me wining and dining and living the high life....I drive a 93 Saturn with 180,000 miles on it. I live in a 170 square foot rented cabin that has running water 6 months per year. I have a fifth of Jack Daniels that been sitting on my shelf for over a year and is still half full...so no.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')Of course in the best of times the consumer system is dehumanizing and disgusting, so even with the BK safety valve, I'm all for stopping participating in it.

[I_Like_Plants]

ludi within the small groups humans lived in until a few thousand years ago, yeah, it was a sort of sharing/gift/exhanged favors sort of system.

With the large groups we have now, that's no practical and attempts to force it (communism) have been disastrous. So, the money system works best for our present large groups, but I choose to buy minimally.

Got a pair of pants for 50 cents today. W00t!

Sold a radio transmitter and key for $150, w00t!

Proceeds from the transmitter sale may go to trumpet lessons at $20 per, to a guy living about 2 miles away. I'll learn faster, be able to 'get on the road' to being a decent street-player to make the lessons self-sustaining, and I think as importantly, is buddying up to a good player who has links to bands, jams, that sort of thing.

The buying/selling system is much more "organic" out here, more social. The ham radio sale resulted in a new friend. And a new acquaintance. The trumpet thing will result in a teacher, and probably other social links and I'm not kidding, possible gigs for me. (Some things don't require a super good player, just someone to play in the background.)

Because there are so few people out here, there's quite a social web.

[Flowerr]

Hey, the first lesson is on me.

FIRST TRUMPET LESSON TADA!

Trombone too




Trumpet lesson videos on video.google.com for free.

seriously there are good ones there,

or pay

http://www.bbtrumpet.com/30.html

before you pay I would read all these first.

All 8 of Pops Trumpet books A-Z, FAQ, Next Level, Air on the Move, Pros Talk Embouchure, Chops Builder, 30 Minutes A Day to Better Playing & How the Chops Work.
$ ___ + 14 shipping in the US
(36 shipping overseas)

it will take you weeks to even understand these things and after a few months of reading THEN take lessons.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '
')With the large groups we have now, that's no practical

[I_Like_Plants]

Let. Me. Say. It. Again. Slowly.

Attempts. To. Live. Under. Non. Monetary. Systems. With. Large. Groups. Of. People. Have. Been. Disastrous. (Communism.)

Among. Small. Groups. Like. Humans. Are. Meant. To. Live. The. Favor/barter/good deeds. System. Works. Great.

[Ludi]

Fan tas tic.

[Ludi]

Anyway, even if you think I'm a moron, I'll say some more. YOu can ignore me or mock me or whatever you want to do.


I think large groups of people can do this, they are simply smaller groups which interlock to form larger groups, this could even be a worldwide system.


Anyway, I'm sure whatever I have to say is meaningless to you.

[I_Like_Plants]

Ludi you may not be a moron in reality, you are certainly thin-skinned.

I agree, you can have small groups that trade etc with other groups, making a large number of people overall. But it comes down to population density - the American Indians had trade routes where they had types of stone and shells from thousands of miles away, that traveled across the US by trading. Africa had this sort of trading also.

Our modern materialism/capitalism system is unfortunately what works best when you have millions of people in one place. That should say something about how evil it is in the first place to have millions of people in one place!

You can't force huge concentrations of people to act like a small village. The Communists tried and it's always been a huge failure. What you have to do is get the population density down, as in, way down. The way hunter-gatherers live day in and day out is exactly the kind of paradise Marx talked about - his mistake was in thinking it could be done with large concentrations of humans all jammed into one place. He wanted to benefits of industrial civilization without the evils. Of course that's impossible - humans crammed together in huge concentrations are hardly even humans any more.

Here are some examples of how humans crammed into huge breeding farms, which our modern countries are, are not even humans any more:

A set of parents will kick their kids out at age 18, or 16, or 14 (it's not uncommon) without any concern as to whether they'll even have food.

Pair-bonding is screwed up, and divorce, casual sex, prostitution, and perversions like pedophilia are common.

50,000 people a year in the US killed by cars and this outrages no one. Far more than this injured in "life changing" ways - that means they become homeless etc.

Families spend hours staring at a video box (computer or TV) and hardly talk with each other.

With no feeling of kinship for others, any extra money a person makes is spent on things - new car, hookers'n'blow, etc.

Work hours trending longer and longer, where in every other type of society work hours trend lower when possible.

A solidly entrenched class structure and over time evolving into a caste structure - hunter-gatherer societies tend to run on the meritocracy principle.

A liking for processed foods, the more processed the better.

An aversion towards physical activity.

And so on.