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US now begging for Oil

Unread postby KevO » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 10:16:02

but as the saying gos 'beggars can't be choosers'
although I never thought I'd see the day that Americans go begging to the Middle East...but here we are. That's irony. Who's winning the 'war'?

hmm



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')ABU DHABI, Jan 21 (Reuters) - U.S. Energy Secretary Sam Bodman repeated his plea on Monday for more oil from top exporter Saudi Arabia, undaunted by OPEC's cautious response to Washington's request so far.

Oil has fallen by more than 10 percent from a record high of $100.09 a barrel hit early this month, easing some of the pressure on OPEC to raise supplies, analysts said.

Bodman told reporters in Abu Dhabi there was concern about the short-term performance of the U.S. economy and he was hopeful Riyadh would steer a decision to increase oil supplies at OPEC's meeting on Feb. 1 in Vienna.

Bodman, who met the Saudi oil minister at the weekend, said the United States expected oil inventories to drop in the first half of 2008.

The United Arab Emirates Oil Minister Mohammed al-Hamli said OPEC would examine all options when its ministers meet.

"OPEC ... will look then at all the options," Hamli told reporters in Abu Dhabi on the sidelines of a green energy conference. "There is a disconnect between fundamentals and the price."

When asked what OPEC should do at the meeting, he said: "We haven't yet decided. We will decide in Vienna with all the other OPEC ministers."


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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby killJOY » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 10:29:15

Why aren't they begging from:

Canada?

Mexico?

Venezuela?

Nigeria?

Oh, that's right. None of them have any spare capacity.

And neither does the Middle East, apparently.

But will we ever learn that for sure?

How convenient for them that we're going into recession, with possible 'demand destruction' and oil price drops, masking the peak.

If it's there....
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby ohanian » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 10:46:59

USA should beg from Russia
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby peasea » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 12:53:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ohanian', '[')size=200]USA should beg from Russia[/size]


hmmm , would be interesting but who said they had any spare capacity ................

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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 13:51:39

NOBODY HAS ANY SPARE CAPACITY!

In other words:

We are fucked.
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby nocar » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 14:07:19

Of course, another solution for Americans could be to use a little less gasoline. Like driving your smaller car more often than the bigger one on your driveway.

Even your smaller car could most likely easily fit three or four persons for a car-pool. It is just a matter of organising things - a car-pool matching site should be easy to make, and cell-phones can inform pool-mates of delays or changes. Walking 500 m to a pick-up place should be possible even for an American of average fitness.¨

Some of us think Americans use more than their share of global oil.

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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 14:39:20

The US doesn't have to beg. It can get all the oil it needs from its closest, most faithful ally, the United Kingdom. I don't understand why they don't drop their reliance on the Middle East and ask us to pump more oil. If those dollars came this way, the UKCS would reveal resources to match. It is simple supply and demand. Kids learn this stuff at school, for goodness sake.
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby joewp » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 14:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', 'O')f course, another solution for Americans could be to use a little less gasoline. Like driving your smaller car more often than the bigger one on your driveway.

Even your smaller car could most likely easily fit three or four persons for a car-pool. It is just a matter of organising things - a car-pool matching site should be easy to make, and cell-phones can inform pool-mates of delays or changes. Walking 500 m to a pick-up place should be possible even for an American of average fitness.¨

Some of us think Americans use more than their share of global oil.

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You don't realize how much you're asking. Most people live so far away from their jobs they can't drive less, and they already are driving the small car to work. Car pooling can't work either, since people don't live in convenient areas on the way to work and people work all over the place, not really concentrated in one area.

People won't stop driving until there's no choice. They'll drive to work because that's how they feed their family. We've been locked into this unsustainable system by our leaders and economic system, not by choice. You're right, we do use more than our share of oil, but it's more because that's the way we've been told it works. It's the American Way of Life, and it's not negotiable. :(
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby yesplease » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 15:35:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'M')ost people live so far away from their jobs they can't drive less, and they already are driving the small car to work.
If by most you mean about half, then sure. :wink:
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 15:47:25

There is no more powerful evidence that we've crossed the peak than the fantasmagoric spectacle of the USA scurrying around the world cupping an alms bowl begging for an additional serving of The Black Stuff.
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby abelardlindsay » Mon 21 Jan 2008, 16:31:12

We could always ask Iraq for more oil... :twisted:
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby KevO » Tue 22 Jan 2008, 03:59:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'T')he US doesn't have to beg. It can get all the oil it needs from its closest, most faithful ally, the United Kingdom. I don't understand why they don't drop their reliance on the Middle East and ask us to pump more oil. .


err.we past peak some years ago. we are a net importer. we ain't got none
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 22 Jan 2008, 04:35:45

It seems bad to us, but to a lot of people, $3.50 a gallon gas is still not the breaking point in changing driving habits. There is still a fair distance to go before the public recognizes the party really is over once and for all.
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby nocar » Tue 22 Jan 2008, 06:59:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou don't realize how much you're asking. Most people live so far away from their jobs they can't drive less, and they already are driving the small car to work. Car pooling can't work either, since people don't live in convenient areas on the way to work and people work all over the place, not really concentrated in one area.



I refuse to believe that for most suburban people there is no-one living in the same general area going to work in the same general direction. Your poolmates do not have to live within walking distance - you can drive (bike?) a few miles and join up for the long stretch. You can do that even if one works 15 miles away and another 20 miles away in the same direction. Obviously, this
requires time coordination and consideration for your poolmates, and you will likely have to spend a little more time going to work. Yet, if there is a will, there is a way.

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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby phaeryen » Tue 22 Jan 2008, 09:12:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nocar', 'O')f course, another solution for Americans could be to use a little less gasoline. Like driving your smaller car more often than the bigger one on your driveway.

Even your smaller car could most likely easily fit three or four persons for a car-pool. It is just a matter of organising things - a car-pool matching site should be easy to make, and cell-phones can inform pool-mates of delays or changes. Walking 500 m to a pick-up place should be possible even for an American of average fitness.¨

Some of us think Americans use more than their share of global oil.

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What are you, a communist? Islami terrorist?

Walking and carpooling, sheesh. People like you should be jailed for even thinking such revolutionary thoughts.
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Re: US now begging for Oil

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 22 Jan 2008, 10:08:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'C')ar pooling can't work either, since people don't live in convenient areas on the way to work and people work all over the place, not really concentrated in one area.


Go to a site like http://www.carpoolconnect.com/, where you select someone to carpool with based on where you live and what your destination is. Services like these will skyrocket in popularity when fuel prices hit the roof. Whether you like who you're carpooling with is another question, but it will be do or die in all likelihood.
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