Counterexample:
These days presidential elections were held in Georgia (country, not state). Watch the world!
Latest news on that is:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he head of a European monitoring mission confirmed Thursday that voting fraud had taken place in the elections which saw Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili returned to power.
'There was crass, negligent and deliberate falsification during the vote counting,' said Dieter Boden of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?
by waegari » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 06:30:48
Monsters and Critics, January 10
Now, from what I saw on television (and, of course, had expected from a country like Georgia) there were no machines involved at all in the voting.
Which only goes to show that elections (as we have seen before in the world) can also be rigged through hand count, and therefore one could just as well argue, it wasn't the NH Diebold count, it was the NH hand count, that was rigged.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?
by Leanan » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 09:20:41
Enough with the "Diebold Hacked the NH Primary" Lunacy
These aren't touch-screen voting machines. They are optical scan machines. There's a paper trail. It would be insane to try to hack the results, because a paper ballot count would show the fraud.
The only thing that happened in New Hampshire is that a lot of people made up their minds at the last minute, after the pollsters had gone away. As one pollster put it, a primary is not like a general election. Generally, voters like all the candidates, and are picking the one they like most. It's like choosing a flavor of ice cream. You don't make your choice days or weeks before. You decide when you're standing at the counter.
These aren't touch-screen voting machines. They are optical scan machines. There's a paper trail. It would be insane to try to hack the results, because a paper ballot count would show the fraud.
The only thing that happened in New Hampshire is that a lot of people made up their minds at the last minute, after the pollsters had gone away. As one pollster put it, a primary is not like a general election. Generally, voters like all the candidates, and are picking the one they like most. It's like choosing a flavor of ice cream. You don't make your choice days or weeks before. You decide when you're standing at the counter.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?
by Fishman » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 10:06:55
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I don't think you can convince them with logic, even with a simple issue as the New Hamshire Primary they crawl out of the walls. Every election on both sides rattles their cage, there can NOT be a simple answer. What I find funny now is the attack on Hilleary by the left, I thought only Bush/Cheney were the evil ones.
I don't think you can convince them with logic, even with a simple issue as the New Hamshire Primary they crawl out of the walls. Every election on both sides rattles their cage, there can NOT be a simple answer. What I find funny now is the attack on Hilleary by the left, I thought only Bush/Cheney were the evil ones.
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?
by Fishman » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 10:25:15
It brings me great joy to watch the left eat their own, its a seasonal show, ebbs between elections, comes into full glory prior to the main election. It even surpasses watching those Nature shows where the wildebeast and the crocs have their matchoff.
As Jim Carvel a leading Democrat said (sorrry if I misquote a bit ) "the only way the Democrats can lose in 2008 is if they talk their way out of the office, the bad news is their incredible history of doing just that"
As Jim Carvel a leading Democrat said (sorrry if I misquote a bit ) "the only way the Democrats can lose in 2008 is if they talk their way out of the office, the bad news is their incredible history of doing just that"
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Re: Was the NH primary hacked using Diebold software?
by billg » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 10:41:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', '[')url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/10/02623/2264/85/434176]Enough with the "Diebold Hacked the NH Primary" Lunacy[/url]
These aren't touch-screen voting machines. They are optical scan machines. There's a paper trail. It would be insane to try to hack the results, because a paper ballot count would show the fraud.
The only thing that happened in New Hampshire is that a lot of people made up their minds at the last minute, after the pollsters had gone away. As one pollster put it, a primary is not like a general election. Generally, voters like all the candidates, and are picking the one they like most. It's like choosing a flavor of ice cream. You don't make your choice days or weeks before. You decide when you're standing at the counter.
These aren't touch-screen voting machines. They are optical scan machines. There's a paper trail. It would be insane to try to hack the results, because a paper ballot count would show the fraud.
The only thing that happened in New Hampshire is that a lot of people made up their minds at the last minute, after the pollsters had gone away. As one pollster put it, a primary is not like a general election. Generally, voters like all the candidates, and are picking the one they like most. It's like choosing a flavor of ice cream. You don't make your choice days or weeks before. You decide when you're standing at the counter.
Your article states that more than half the votes cast are counted by the Accuvote voting machines (it doesn't say what percent). The number is actually 81%! Here are all the municipalities which include Nashua and Manchester. It doesn't take much fiddling to sway an election. Fiddling with the numbers in 10 or so municipalities could change the outcome.
http://www.sos.nh.gov/voting%20machines2006.htm
That article doesn't prove anything. There would have to be recount of all those ballots which were tabulated by the machines. Obama would be regarded as the "National Sore Loser" if he actually asked for a hand recount in a primary.
This was a "do or die" election for Clinton, hence the motivation for cheating.
It's amazing that anyone would put so much trust into these machines and the people that sell them. The national sales and marketing director for LHS Associates is a convicted criminal.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')-9-08: New England voting machine firm has executive criminal record
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
They program every single voting machine in New Hampshire, Connecticut, almost all of Massachusetts, Vermont, and Maine. But did state officials in five New England states ever do a criminal background check on this company's executives? Do the laws of these five states even ALLOW them to hire convicted criminals for services paid for by the state? What about over 500 local towns and municipalities?
According to my sources, LHS Marketing and Sales Director Ken Hajjar grew up with owner John Silvestro in Lawrence, Massachusetts. They both moved to Londonderry, New Hampshire, where Ken Hajjar was arrested, indicted, and pleaded guilty to "sale / CND" and sentenced to 12 months in the Rockingham County Correctional facility, and fined $2000. As things go for the politically connected, he was then given a deferred sentence and $1000 of his fine was suspended.
Hajjar doesn't limit his involvement in the voting machine business to sales. According to an interview conducted by Dori Smith, as reported here: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5320, Hajjar totes memory cards around in the trunk of his car and defends the boggling concept of swapping out memory cards during the middle of elections.
Hold onto your hats, there's more. Start with this YouTube video, if you haven't already seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ARE VIDEO FOOTAGE
In an unusual confluence of available video, we obtained footage of Silvestro grappling with Harri Hursti, the master hacker who had his way with the Diebold optical scans in Leon County, Florida in the famous exploit that was showcased in the film Hacking Democracy.
The exact same make, model and version hacked in the Black Box Voting project in Leon County is used throughout New Hampshire, where about 45 percent of elections administrators hand count paper ballots at the polling place, with the remaining locations all using the Diebold version 1.94w optical scan machine. Because the voting machine locations tend to be urban, this represents about 81 percent of the New Hampshire voters.
The video shows Harri Hursti testifying on Sept. 19 before the New Hampshire legislature, attempting to explain significant vulnerabilities requiring urgent mitigations; throughout his testimony, Silvestro inserted his own comments, opinions, misstatements and speculations.
VOTING MACHINE CHECKUP
One area of disagreement between Hursti and Silvestro was the amount of expertise needed to exploit the Diebold 1.94w optical scan system. Silvestro claimed (in a strange contortion of reasoning) that he doesn't hire very skilled programmers, implying that this makes New Hampshire elections more secure.
Hursti pointed out that hiring programmers with a lack of knowledge is generally not considered a security feature, and also that an average high schooler can learn to exploit the... More
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