[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') don't even want to hear some of the views on nursing homes!

Grind them up into cat food? WTF!

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I')n my country there is no real estae tax. There are old people who get $80-90 a month and they live in 500-700-1000K condos.

[kadoomsoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'H')ere's an idea.

How about not TAXING the old lady.

Problem solved.

[kadoomsoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'P')roperty tax is a big part of the current economic meltdown heading our way. Local governments do everything they can to promote higher property values so they can get more tax revenues. Duh. Why not jack up everyone's assessment and then make them work it off if they can't pay? Good scam!

Why should my taxes go up because my neighbor sold his house for a highly inflated price that the city assessor deemed fair? We need to switch to a membership fee or a pay as you go system. Or tax property based on size, not market value. You have more land, you pay more for services. There must be a better way than the obviously corrupt system currently in place.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'P')roperty tax is a big part of the current economic meltdown heading our way. Local governments do everything they can to promote higher property values so they can get more tax revenues. Duh.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'H')ere's an idea.

How about not TAXING the old lady.

Problem solved.

[blukatzen]

[code]that seems to be blukatzen's view, God forbid her precious kitties should go hungry![code]

Plants, do me a favor and don't speak for me. I don't speak for you, that totally misrepresents what I've said.
I've noticed people here on this board in most of the forums really have knee-jerk reactions, "think" they've read something, and then it's like the telephone game..where misquotes and half-truths abound. I've been through this already several times here, and on another forum here today. Read what is there, it's gone from me taking care of my aunts, and noticing that many seniors have eaten cat food to get by, to me being pictured, grinding up old people for cat food. That's hilarious!

If one has an emotional response, that's fine, but don't attibute it to what you THINK that I would say.
Plants, you don't even know me, and you have been ripping into me since I said that I mixed cat shit in w/garbage on the dumpster thread. That is what's eating you up. Then you drag it onto other threads? That says what mettle you are made of. Get a grip and get a life man, get a woman for crying' out loud!

I haven't attacked you, in fact I've known that you needed a job, and I had offered one to you. Oh well.

Plants, it's really interesting, because I *may* agree with you on a lot of topics, more than you'd know. However, INSTEAD of exploring commonalities, you've decided to be angry, like you usually do, and throw a tirade. You're loss.

[code]I really wonder about US'ians, get all sobby about disease-ridden mangy cats and want to kill off the elderly who've earned the right to rest a bit at the end of a life of work - hell most old people will be "old" in their 50s and drop before they get any kind of a retirement.[/code]

I wonder how old you think I am? I am almost there! I guess I should drop dead. Maybe I should eat my cats first.

Maybe I should go live in a dumpster.

PLants, plants, plants...

You need to chill.

Peace,

Blu

[kadoomsoon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'H')ere's an idea.

How about not TAXING the old lady.

Problem solved.

[MrBill]

Are you people FCK'G serious?

First of all, anyone who lives to be 67+ years old has outlived anyone who dies at 50 from cancer. No one has an automatic right to anything! Everyday above ground is a gift from God!

Secondly, anyone that has worked all their life has by definition had that entire time to earn money and make savings to pay for the cost of their retirement. Or should we pay Warren Buffet's taxes for him, too?

Thirdly, you want young couples with young children of their own to pay more taxes to support elderly people that have had many more years to work and save?

Not to forget that due to the inflation that comes from governments spending money that they do not have that all those assets that Granny bought are now worth way more than she paid for them, but practically out of reach for that young family looking to get on the housing ladder.

Oh sorry, FCK them! They can pay high taxes, high house prices AND live 50-miles from their work because Granny's generation did not make the right political choices when voting for the past 50-years!

No, let's give her a tax holiday instead? Then we can all pay more taxes, and she can give her house to her children! Great FCK'G idea!

Let's keep her alive until she's 110, so that she can watch even more TV! Who cares what it costs? It's only debt our grandchildren will have to pay anyway!

And where is Granny's family? She was probably such a great role model and loving parent that I am sure her family would gladly pay $12.000 to keep her in her house of which they have so many happy childhood memories right? I know I would.

Bad things happen to good people all the time. However, your suggestions border on the ridiculous! If you're not willing to let Granny pay her taxes then I suggest you mail her the $12.000 from your own paycheque!

You can have any social system you want including a cradle to grave welfare state, so long as you have the economy to pay for it. Make your hard choices and then pay for them!

I want flat taxes and I want everyone to pay them!

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'A')nd where is Granny's family? She was probably such a great role model and loving parent that I am sure her family would gladly pay $12.000 to keep her in her house of which they have so many happy childhood memories right? I know I would.

Bad things happen to good people all the time. However, your suggestions border on the ridiculous! If you're not willing to let Granny pay her taxes then I suggest you mail her the $12.000 from your own paycheque!

I want flat taxes and I want everyone to pay them!

[vision-master]

State of Minnesota - Senior Citizen Property Tax Deferral program.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Senior Citizen Property Tax Deferral Program was established to help senior citizens who were having difficulty paying their property taxes. This deferral program has two primary advantages for senior citizens.

It limits the maximum amount of property tax you pay to three percent of your total household income, and
It provides predictability. The amount of tax you pay will not change for as long as you participate in this program.

[Tyler_JC]

First point, my hometown currently has the property tax deferral program for lower income senior citizen.

How many people are eligible for this program? Hundreds!

How many take advantage of it? As of the last town meeting, two households.

Our program means that senior citizens, if they want to, can accumulate a backlog of property taxes until the property is sold or the senior citizen dies and passes the property to his or her heirs.

It is not an estate tax because the taxpayer is not being taxed for dying, he or she is merely repaying the town for years of back taxes.

Moreover, the property tax rate is only 1.1% of the home's accessed value (which is often times far less than the actual market value).

Meaning, it would take more than 90 years for someone to accumulate more in back taxes than the house is worth.

Second point, what do you mean people aren't living past 70?



And our numbers would be much better if not for high rates of obesity, which has surpassed smoking as the leading cause of premature death.

As red meat and highly processed junk food gets more expensive, I expect obesity rates to drop. We are going to have high life expectancies for the foreseeable future.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')I want flat taxes and I want everyone to pay them!

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')I want flat taxes and I want everyone to pay them!

[I_Like_Plants]

Man that is such bullshit. I've been among the working poor most of my life, and I can tell you, the tax rate is 25-35%! And I've known rich people and I can tell you, they either pay very little tax or none at all.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', '
')I want flat taxes and I want everyone to pay them!

[I_Like_Plants]

When does tax on INCOME become a tax on your bills?

I smell a Democrat...

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') consumption tax is a tax on the purchase of a good or service. The term "consumption tax" refers to a system whose tax base is consumption (as opposed to income or labour). While this can be structured like a sales tax, realistic proposals for a consumption tax recognize that regressivity is a problem with pure sales taxes. Using exemptions, graduated rates, deductions or rebates, a consumption tax can be made progressive, while allowing savings to accumulate tax-free.[citation needed]

[I_Like_Plants]

We're talking about an income tax, not a sales tax.

That's a seperate issue.

PS I think Joe Horn should get tax forgiveness for being a hero.

[MrBill]

Tyler_JC wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')oth of my parents are certified public accountants. Trust me, the present system is highly progressive.

Under a 15% flat tax with a $4,000 deduction per person, as you propose:

A family of 4 earning $36,000 a year would pay $3,000 a year in taxes.

Currently they would pay $643.

I don't think you want to force lower income people to pay more than they currently do...

As for the rich family of 4 earning $500,000 (assuming that all of that is taxed under your flat tax proposal)

They would pay $72,600 under your plan.

Today, assuming that half of that income was in the form of dividends (and thus taxed at a much lower rate), they would still be paying $147,420.

You would be creating a massive tax hike for the poor and a massive tax cut for the rich.