From the NY Times, for those of us who are tempted to say "that type of thing could never happen here."
Permenant detentions planned in 1950
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') newly declassified document shows that J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had a plan to suspend habeas corpus and imprison some 12,000 Americans he suspected of disloyalty.
Hoover sent his plan to the White House on July 7, 1950, 12 days after the Korean War began. It envisioned putting suspect Americans in military prisons.
Hoover wanted President Harry S. Truman to proclaim the mass arrests necessary to “protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.” The F.B.I would “apprehend all individuals potentially dangerous” to national security, Hoover’s proposal said. The arrests would be carried out under “a master warrant attached to a list of names” provided by the bureau.
The names were part of an index that Hoover had been compiling for years. “The index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven per cent are citizens of the United States,” he wrote.
“In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus,” it said.
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Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950
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Hoover's plan for mass detentions
by wisconsin_cur » Sat 22 Dec 2007, 20:05:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')oover’s plan called for “the permanent detention” of the roughly 12,000 suspects at military bases as well as in federal prisons. The F.B.I., he said, had found that the arrests it proposed in New York and California would cause the prisons there to overflow.
So the bureau had arranged for “detention in military facilities of the individuals apprehended” in those states, he wrote.
The prisoners eventually would have had a right to a hearing under the Hoover plan. The hearing board would have been a panel made up of one judge and two citizens. But the hearings “will not be bound by the rules of evidence,” his letter noted.
The only modern precedent for Hoover’s plan was the Palmer Raids of 1920, named after the attorney general at the time. The raids, executed in large part by Hoover’s intelligence division, swept up thousands of people suspected of being communists and radicals.
Previously declassified documents show that the F.B.I.’s “security index” of suspect Americans predated the cold war. In March 1946, Hoover sought the authority to detain Americans “who might be dangerous” if the United States went to war. In August 1948, Attorney General Tom Clark gave the F.B.I. the power to make a master list of such people.
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Re: Hoover's plan for mass detentions
by I_Like_Plants » Sat 22 Dec 2007, 20:53:57
Yeah but Hoover was a weirdo who wore dresses and thought everyone was out to get him...
Wait, perhaps sane compared to the types running the US now!
Wait, perhaps sane compared to the types running the US now!
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Re: Hoover's plan for mass detentions
by Loki » Sat 22 Dec 2007, 21:11:48
Interesting, though not terribly surprising. As much as we (rightfully) decry the violations of civil liberties by BushCheneyCo and their phony War of Terror, the situation was far, far worse during WWI and WWII. The tyrant FDR put >70,000 American citizens in isolated desert concentration camps, and tens of thousands more foreign-born legal residents. All without any due process whatsoever. Not only could it happen here, it DID happen here. And in Canada.
J. Edgar's plan looks downright reasonable compared to the internment of Japanese Americans. Hell, Bush and Cheney are freaking saints in comparison to FDR (may that goddamn tyrant burn in hell).
I recently learned that some of the street names in my city were renamed during WWI so as not to sound too German. Men were also thrown in jail for expressing opposition to the war in public.
"Land of the free, home of the brave" has always been more prescriptive than descriptive, particularly during the 20th century. War is the enemy of freedom. The more war we wage abroad, the less freedom we'll have at home. This has been an ironclad rule for over a century.
J. Edgar's plan looks downright reasonable compared to the internment of Japanese Americans. Hell, Bush and Cheney are freaking saints in comparison to FDR (may that goddamn tyrant burn in hell).
I recently learned that some of the street names in my city were renamed during WWI so as not to sound too German. Men were also thrown in jail for expressing opposition to the war in public.
"Land of the free, home of the brave" has always been more prescriptive than descriptive, particularly during the 20th century. War is the enemy of freedom. The more war we wage abroad, the less freedom we'll have at home. This has been an ironclad rule for over a century.
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Re: Hoover's plan for mass detentions
by psyop101 » Sat 22 Dec 2007, 21:40:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'F')rom the NY Times, for those of us who are tempted to say "that type of thing could never happen here."
It already happened, apparently started in the 80's?
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/punishing/punishing.html
The terrorist watch list is up to about 800,000 = vacancies at FEMA labor camps
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Re: Hoover's plan for mass detentions
by Ferretlover » Sat 22 Dec 2007, 23:03:58
No link, but I heard (on CNN) that 1 out of every 31 Americans were either in prison or under court supervision....
A sobering fact if true..........
A sobering fact if true..........
"Open the gates of hell!" ~Morgan Freeman's character in the movie, Olympus Has Fallen.
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Hoover Planned Mass Jailing in 1950
by dukey » Sun 23 Dec 2007, 10:58:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') newly declassified document shows that J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had a plan to suspend habeas corpus and imprison some 12,000 Americans he suspected of disloyalty.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')oover wanted President Harry S. Truman to proclaim the mass arrests necessary to “protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.” The F.B.I would “apprehend all individuals potentially dangerous” to national security, Hoover’s proposal said. The arrests would be carried out under “a master warrant attached to a list of names” provided by the bureau.
The names were part of an index that Hoover had been compiling for years. “The index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven per cent are citizens of the United States,” he wrote.
“In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus,” it said.
thank god theres fema camps everything right ?
lol
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I can just see it now, 911 truthers, Ron Paul supporters, people that support the constitution all ending up in Fema camps. Will Amerkia ever wake up ?
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