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ECB dumps 3/4 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby roccman » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 10:21:05

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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 10:35:07

Play money. Imaginary cash. Virtual wealth. Counterfeit currency. Smoke and mirrors.

What a scam...
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby bonehead » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 11:03:23

Love your avatar Zardoz!
Gimme some demand destruction.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 12:16:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ag2wFxEsMXwY&refer=home]Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Money market rates tumbled after the European Central Bank injected an unprecedented $500 billion into the banking system as part of a global effort to ease gridlock in the credit market.[/url]


on one hand, this might re-assure markets, and forestall a big market crash.

on the other hand, it's kind of like sending a telegram, "we're desperate, the situation is dire".

anyway, can't have everyone heading for the exits at once.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby roccman » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 12:32:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pedalling_faster', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ag2wFxEsMXwY&refer=home]Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Money market rates tumbled after the European Central Bank injected an unprecedented $500 billion into the banking system as part of a global effort to ease gridlock in the credit market.[/url]


on one hand, this might re-assure markets, and forestall a big market crash.

on the other hand, it's kind of like sending a telegram, "we're desperate, the situation is dire".

anyway, can't have everyone heading for the exits at once.


January times up.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby IslandCrow » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 12:54:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'J')anuary times up.


One more month to prepare in :)

At this time, for me, it means one more payment of my outstanding bank loan, and hopefully it will delay the bank resetting its prime rate which tracks the Euribor rates. The particular loan I have allows for the bank to reset its rates at any time (but they have to do it for all customers at the same time), however the monthly payments stay the same (so a rising rate means longer in debt).
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby gnm » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 13:16:32

Anyone have thoughts on where US T-bills might go in this climate? If they crash would that help variable mortgage holders whose interest rates are set (with a margin) against them allowing less pain in the sub prime markets? Or are most of them set against LIBOR and other such?

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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 13:48:51

When the market realizes the inflation policy will continue and will not be stopped, demand for bonds will fall and interest rates will rise sharply. Obviously we are not there yet. I sold all my US bonds long ago.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby gnm » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 13:58:39

mattduke, are you saying that the interest returns on the bonds (and as such the mortgages) will rise sharply? An attempt to make bonds more palatable? And doom the variable rate holders. Thanks, just trying to wrap my brain around all the ramifications....

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Unread postby highlander » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 13:59:07

This move is suppose to lower interest when borrowing Euros. I wonder if this move will start the dollar back down.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 14:04:08

Guess i'll be eating rice and noodles in the new year :) No meat for me!
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby kadoomsoon » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 16:40:12

Nothing will happen in 2007, have a happy New Year party, this will be the happiest you will ever have again.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 17:50:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'm')attduke, are you saying that the interest returns on the bonds (and as such the mortgages) will rise sharply? An attempt to make bonds more palatable? And doom the variable rate holders. Thanks, just trying to wrap my brain around all the ramifications....

The lenders will demand higher rates for loaned dollars when the expectation is for the government to continue inflating. Borrowers will accept the higher interest rates because they too know the dollars they must pay back will be worth less. Variable rate holders see their payments increase, but I would count on the government instituting price controls in that area. Price controls are always a feature of an inflation.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 21:10:01

Damn, that's a serious amount of money to be injected at the top.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Bas » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 21:16:45

taking some heat off the back of the dollar. Not sure what to think of it being in a Euro economy, on the one hand the strong Euro was starting to bite with regards to ex-Eurozone exports but on the other hand this will increase inflationary pressures here. You have to take into account that since the introduction of the Euro, the ECB has been more bullish than any other CB to control inflation and build up a reputation in that regard.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Eli » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 23:09:11

I think you have to be very careful here. Dumping this money into the banks does not necessarily create inflation.

The money has to get out and be loaned to the public to create inflation. Right now they have a black hole of bad debts and insolvent banks that are freezing the banking system. This money was put into that rat hole.

It will become inflationary only if it comes out the other side, which in my opinion it won't.

There are insolvent banks still operating, things can't improve until everyone knows who they are.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Bas » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 23:13:52

apart from Northern Rock I haven't heard of any other banks/loan institutions being in trouble in Yurop. I'm sure this was done in greater benefit for the American financial situation than Europe's as America's financial stability is worth a lot to Europe too. But indeed, inflation in Europe will probably not be a problem over this considering, like a pointed out before, the very tight monetary policy history of the ECB. (and people are buying so much Euro's these days that deflation might become a bigger concern)
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Eli » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 23:32:05

Bas there are others out there, but no one is telling.

That is what the 500 bil is for to cover those guys without having another Northern Rock run.

Imagine a major German, and French bank going tits up at the same time ala Northern Rock. The ECB would have no hope of containing the panic.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby Bas » Tue 18 Dec 2007, 23:36:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'B')as there are others out there, but no one is telling.

That is what the 500 bil is for to cover those guys without having another Northern Rock run.

Imagine a major German, and French bank going tits up at the same time ala Northern Rock. The ECB would have no hope of containing the panic.


I think it's obvious this was done in concern about American liquidity and the weakness of the dollar. International banking clique if you will.
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Re: ECB dumps 1/2 TRILLION on money markets

Unread postby kadoomsoon » Wed 19 Dec 2007, 00:22:03

A CT? Bwa ha ha ha.
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