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Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby PeakOiler » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 22:28:37

Reuters Article

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Reuters) - Dow Chemical Co (DOW.N: Quote, Profile, Research) will shut a number of plants and eliminate about 1,000 jobs to cut costs and direct capital toward businesses with better growth prospects, the largest U.S. chemical maker said on Tuesday.
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Dow this year has been hurt by soaring hydrocarbon feedstock and energy costs.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 00:36:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWNAS368120071204?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0]http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWNAS368120071204?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0[/url] to cut costs and direct capital toward businesses with better growth prospects, .


to hedge funds?
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby clueless » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 13:19:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', '[')url=http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWNAS368120071204?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0]Reuters Article[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (Reuters) - Dow Chemical Co (DOW.N: Quote, Profile, Research) will shut a number of plants and eliminate about 1,000 jobs to cut costs and direct capital toward businesses with better growth prospects, the largest U.S. chemical maker said on Tuesday.
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Dow this year has been hurt by soaring hydrocarbon feedstock and energy costs.


I love how these news agencies spin their terms. 99% of the general public has no idea what a "hydrocarbon feedstock" is...
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby 3rensho » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 14:28:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '[')
I love how these news agencies spin their terms. 99% of the general public has no idea what a "hydrocarbon feedstock" is...


Neither do most reporters. Those words most likely came from a press release from Dow.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby kpeavey » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 16:16:30

One result of companies reallocating resources will be products quietly disappearing from store shelves. While the company may not go out of business, ending a product line in order to stay more competitive means the product produced is unavailable or replaced with the retailers next choice. Lesser quality, more expensive, less user friendly is entirely forseeable as the impact on the end user/consumer.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby static66 » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 18:57:27

Dows energy bill last year was $22 Billion and that was at the average ppb of $55!!! They were freaking out at $65 and now they are shuttering plants and getting out of the Automotive Adhesives business, once a highly profitable sector for them.... it is almost
Fecal matter on air movement device time.... this is just the start for them and for the Automotive sector in the United States Of Amerika.... hang on.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby MD » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 21:03:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'O')ne result of companies reallocating resources will be products quietly disappearing from store shelves. While the company may not go out of business, ending a product line in order to stay more competitive means the product produced is unavailable or replaced with the retailers next choice. Lesser quality, more expensive, less user friendly is entirely forseeable as the impact on the end user/consumer.


You are right. Peak access to quality retail goods occurred around 1997. Selection and quality have been on a relentless decline since.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 21:30:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')utomotive Adhesives business


This more explains it. A lot of this business is moving to China.

Here are some statements from their last annual report:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Greater China—where our sales increased from $2.3 billion to $2.7
billion—we committed to the construction of a new glycol ethers plant,
as well as a $200 million investment in our epoxy business for new
manufacturing capacity and a new epoxy R&D center. And we began
construction of our major new technology center in Shanghai.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or example, we were selected by Saudi Aramco, by far the world’s largest oil
and gas company, as its preferred partner for exclusive negotiations to form
a joint venture to build a world-scale complex in Saudi Arabia—a project
that may well become the emerging world’s equivalent of our huge chemical
complex in Freeport, Texas.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e agreed to participate in a joint venture in Thailand with our current
partner, Siam Cement, to manufacture propylene and other building blocks
that will drive the growth of the Company’s Performance businesses in Asia.


They also have a project with Gazprom.

So they are just shifting assets to overseas.

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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby pup55 » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 21:31:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')utomotive Adhesives business


This more explains it. A lot of this business is moving to China.

Here are some statements from their last annual report:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Greater China—where our sales increased from $2.3 billion to $2.7
billion—we committed to the construction of a new glycol ethers plant,
as well as a $200 million investment in our epoxy business for new
manufacturing capacity and a new epoxy R&D center. And we began
construction of our major new technology center in Shanghai.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or example, we were selected by Saudi Aramco, by far the world’s largest oil
and gas company, as its preferred partner for exclusive negotiations to form
a joint venture to build a world-scale complex in Saudi Arabia—a project
that may well become the emerging world’s equivalent of our huge chemical
complex in Freeport, Texas.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e agreed to participate in a joint venture in Thailand with our current
partner, Siam Cement, to manufacture propylene and other building blocks
that will drive the growth of the Company’s Performance businesses in Asia.


They also have a project with Gazprom.

So they are just shifting assets to overseas.

Dow Annual Report
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby SD_Scott » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 22:33:25

When nat gas gets a bit higher the refiners will be next.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby PeakOiler » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 23:15:38

For those 1000 people getting laid off from Dow, I would suspect that the waste material is hitting the rotating cooling device for them. Even if Dow is moving some of their operations to China does not bode well for the US and France, even though it may be better for Dow's short term plans. The US trade deficit will just get a little larger. And anything made of polystyrene (eg.Styrofoam) may soon be more expensive.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Wed 05 Dec 2007, 23:38:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PeakOiler', 'F')or those 1000 people getting laid off from Dow, I would suspect that the waste material is hitting the rotating cooling device for them. Even if Dow is moving some of their operations to China does not bode well for the US and France, even though it may be better for Dow's short term plans. The US trade deficit will just get a little larger. And anything made of polystyrene (eg.Styrofoam) may soon be more expensive.


Hi James! The lemon trees are doing great!

Yep, I feel for those losing jobs but it's just indicative of what is to come. This is a prime example of how peak oil will eat away at the fabric of our existance.

Good catch, James!
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby cube » Thu 06 Dec 2007, 05:00:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SD_Scott', 'W')hen nat gas gets a bit higher the refiners will be next.
Don't you mean Ammonia fertilizer?

As for refineries Saudi Arabia has big plans.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby static66 » Thu 06 Dec 2007, 09:11:08

Ever notice that all the refineries are right on the ocean.... as if this whole global warming/ climate change sea level rise is just a lot of nonsense... why would any large corporation spend $6 billion on a refinery that is jeapordized by an incremental sea level rise?? Pup, Dow has been lobbying the automotive industry and everyone else involved to adopt efficiency measures as there costs are absolutely through the roof.... $22 Billion is a real number for them and I would hate to see what it is for 2007.... they are indeed in trouble. FedEx, UPS, Home Depot, Lowes, etc etc... all in a bit of a sticky wicket.
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Re: Dow Chemical to Shut Plants

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 06 Dec 2007, 09:31:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')up, Dow has been lobbying the automotive industry and everyone else involved to adopt efficiency measures as there costs are absolutely through the roof


Ironically, there was a post the other day on the fuel efficiency standards to the effect that the current US legislation is about 10 years behind the Chinese and Europeans as far as bringing the mpg up to 35. So in effect, they are getting their wish: They will get their standards, but it will be because the Chinese and Europeans are selling all of the cars. They are just adjusting their assets to take advantage of the fact.

Dow is into all of those adhesives and plastics, in other words, all of the stuff that is being used to take weight out of the cars to make them more efficient.

The US auto producers still are clinging to the belief that this current oil price regime is temporary, and they can make money selling SUV's. The reason for this is that this is what their focus groups are telling them. There is still a substantial consumer population that believes that we will get back to the 1990's level pricing, and they can go back to the behemoth Explorer.
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