[roccman]

for everything to be ok"

WAW2Go

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Unveiling is upon us and only a small percentage of the people are waking up. Those that are, are waking up at the last minute. And they are waking up rather slowly and reluctantly. Most still imagine the full unveiling and revelation of consequences must be decades away. They believe it’s at least a generation or two off. Most, even after they see our movie, continue to think there’s time to create a mass awakening, a popular uprising, a reformation. They want to believe that there’s a revolution afoot, that “green building” and “hydrogen cars,” will save us, if only “we the people” will demand those things. They continue to think there’s decades yet ahead in order to turn away from catastrophe, that it’s possible to solve our energy and climate and ecological holocaust. But you don’t solve a holocaust. At best, maybe you survive it.

[kadoomsoon]

This man is correct.
Looking into the future, there is no one home.

[deMolay]

Roccman, I really enjoy your insightful posts. But just a comment if I may. I think we all need to have a little faith in our fellow man. It will surprise all of us I think, as to how many will arise to the occasion. Yes many of us will fall in the coming fray. But was it ever thus. That is why I love the horse above all animals. They are straight and true. Either they are an outlaw, or they have so much trust and love that they will charge straight into battle, without a thought for themselves only their duty. And all true warriors try with all their might to avoid the battle, until no choice is left. Then they enter the fray with a clear mind, and a calm spirit and they give all of themselves to the moment, to the duty that has arisen. Let us remember the love of the horse, and the unselfish acts of the horse. I am not a very learned man, and I hope I have not offended, it is not yet that time.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'R')occman, I really enjoy your insightful posts. But just a comment if I may. I think we all need to have a little faith in our fellow man. It will surprise all of us I think, as to how many will arise to the occasion.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'R')occman, I really enjoy your insightful posts. But just a comment if I may. I think we all need to have a little faith in our fellow man. It will surprise all of us I think, as to how many will arise to the occasion. Yes many of us will fall in the coming fray. But was it ever thus. That is why I love the horse above all animals. They are straight and true. Either they are an outlaw, or they have so much trust and love that they will charge straight into battle, without a thought for themselves only their duty. And all true warriors try with all their might to avoid the battle, until no choice is left. Then they enter the fray with a clear mind, and a calm spirit and they give all of themselves to the moment, to the duty that has arisen. Let us remember the love of the horse, and the unselfish acts of the horse. I am not a very learned man, and I hope I have not offended, it is not yet that time.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'R')occman, I really enjoy your insightful posts. But just a comment if I may. I think we all need to have a little faith in our fellow man. It will surprise all of us I think, as to how many will arise to the occasion. Yes many of us will fall in the coming fray. But was it ever thus. That is why I love the horse above all animals. They are straight and true. Either they are an outlaw, or they have so much trust and love that they will charge straight into battle, without a thought for themselves only their duty. And all true warriors try with all their might to avoid the battle, until no choice is left. Then they enter the fray with a clear mind, and a calm spirit and they give all of themselves to the moment, to the duty that has arisen. Let us remember the love of the horse, and the unselfish acts of the horse. I am not a very learned man, and I hope I have not offended, it is not yet that time.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'R')occman, I really enjoy your insightful posts. But just a comment if I may. I think we all need to have a little faith in our fellow man. It will surprise all of us I think, as to how many will arise to the occasion.

[Eli]

I bet he is a the glass is half empty kind of guy.

[deMolay]

While it is true that a horse does not like unstable ground, and if the rider is smart enough to give the horse his head generally the horse will do the right thing. But to say the horse cannot distinguish unstable ground from a human lying on the ground is an insult to the horse. Think about the thousand years of friendship and history of mankind and the horse. I'm sure you will change your statement just a little bit.

[deMolay]

Eli that is funny.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') bet he is a the glass is half empty kind of guy.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'W')hile it is true that a horse does not like unstable ground, and if the rider is smart enough to give the horse his head generally the horse will do the right thing. But to say the horse cannot distinguish unstable ground from a human lying on the ground is an insult to the horse. Think about the thousand years of friendship and history of mankind and the horse. I'm sure you will change your statement just a little bit.

[eastbay]

One important item is missing from his list: People.

.... and yes, Eli, that was very funny indeed!

[Tyler_JC]

First off, a solid couple dozen of those things on his list are not evil.

Here's a list of things that he thinks are evil that I think are good:
immigration, emigration, patriotism, roads, Big Science, Scientism, so-called "sold out artists, speculation, star systems, frustrated artists, TV, trade, budget deficits (if the money is well spent), two-job families (got a problem with women's liberation?), commerce, child labor (would you rather have these kids starve?), colonization, coupons/rebates/sales (maximize consumer surplus, you know), fashion, gambling, hard work and long hours (that's how sh*t gets done), and maybe a few others that I can't find on that list.

That man is a worthless little whiner.

Seriously, can somebody find this guy a girlfriend or at least a hobby?

[AirlinePilot]

Same thought I had Tyler. A depressed, pessimistic little whiner. We have way too many of them these days.

[wisconsin_cur]

What is the Dylan line?

"Stake my future on a hell of a past
Looks like tomorrow is a coming on fast
Ain't complaining about what I got
Seen better times but who has not.

...

One of these days and it won't be long
Going down the valley and sing my song
I will sing it loud and sing it strong
Let the echo decide if I was right or wrong."

[Ferretlover]

Trust No One

[gg3]

Interesting sub-thread about horses though.

Seeing as we will be having a lot more to do with horses in the future, how'bout someone start up a horse topic?

If the horse's brain has a limbic system, then the horse has the capacity for emotions. Clearly they are behaviorally socialized to life with humans, in a manner analogous to dogs.

This brings up a possibly interesting experiment. What if horses are raised in effect as members of families, in the sense of being associated with particular humans for their entire lifetimes?

For example, a community has a general haulage company that uses horse-drawn trailers for tasks that had previously been done by medium-duty trucks (parcel delivery, house moving, furniture & appliance delivery, etc.). Now what if the horses stay in the company all their lives, and are able to breed internally, e.g. you have a breeding pair and their offspring stay in the company, and you add an outside horse at each generation to prevent inbreeding. When the horses get too old to work they have a decent retirement in the pasture, and young horses get to come along with their older stablemates on jobs though they aren't actually pulling loads until they're mature.

In the company, the humans tend to stay in their jobs for many years, so they are familiar to the horses; and particular teams of humans go out on delivery runs with the same teams of horses each time. So what you get is a set of long-term associations between the humans and the horses, and consistency in the social networks on both sides.

I am thinking that such arrangements, when accompanied by humane treatment and good nutrition, will produce a) fewer veterinary illnesses, b) more efficient work by the horses, and c) lower costs to the company. And subjectively, those horses would probably have more satisfactory lives, and would probably develop bonds with their humans, and vice-versa.

I've heard that similar arrangements are used for mounted police, because the benefits translate to more effective patrol work. Seems to make sense to apply these practices to civilian and private-sector work of various kinds.

Anyone know more about any of this?

[catbox]

Thanks for the link to the film. There are so many out there these days that I have only bothered to pick up a few.....this may be one I get and share with friends.

Well, I'm going to go wake the family and get this Friday rolling. I am allowing myself on this morning to keep the "good" machine(s) of which I commute to work on 4 days a week, the Bike, in the garage and jump in the "evil" black beetle and head off to work at my "evil" e-com job...which relies on the sole "evilness" of oil to get our goods to and from the building. It's a vicious circle!

Good Day All!

cb

[TheDude]

My fave from his list:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')arthquakes, people living where they are likely to occur