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Re: PEAK OIL AND FOOD SECURITY

Unread postby inculcated » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 14:33:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Would any notice/care if Africa died off?


Ever done any past life regressions? I'll bet you were a slave ship captain or a plantation owner.

Maybe those in Africa would care?
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Re: PEAK OIL AND FOOD SECURITY

Unread postby cube » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 20:18:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('inculcated', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Would any notice/care if Africa died off?


Ever done any past life regressions? I'll bet you were a slave ship captain or a plantation owner.

Maybe those in Africa would care?
Cube's past life --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30tyaXv6EI

To answer the question. NO. The world does not care about Africa. If it did then the continent wouldn't be in such bad shape as it is now. Don't get mad at me. I'm just giving an opinion based on unbiased observation and not some pre-conceived notion or at least trying really hard. If the world really cared then maybe we could spend just 5% of what we do on the military to help someone else out and this planet wouldn't be such a fcuked up place.

*end rant*

getting back on topic.
If somebody were to ask when will we hit PO? --> I'd say I don't know, but the answer is probably somewhere in the middle east!
If we were to replace the word PO with PP (peak population) I believe the answer lies in Africa.
Africa is to PP
as
Middle East is to PO
(if that makes any sense)
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Re: PEAK OIL AND FOOD SECURITY

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 31 Oct 2007, 23:38:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('inculcated', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Would any notice/care if Africa died off?


Ever done any past life regressions? I'll bet you were a slave ship captain or a plantation owner.

Maybe those in Africa would care?


Oh, I'm sure the people living in Africa are going to be quite upset about the coming dieoff.

But let's be honest, how many people in the developed world spend more than a passing thought worrying about folks on a different continent?

How much influence does the average citizen of Lagos or Nairobi have?

Millions of people can and will die before anyone changes their behavior in the West. Only when the crisis hits home will anyone try to do anything about it.

Did you not look at those charts?

Not a single country in Africa is an exporter of grain. Talk all you want about oppression, racism, civil war, drought, etc...but it doesn't change the fact that nothing can be done to sustain a rapidly growing population on a continent incapable of feeding itself without massive help from the West.
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Re: Peak Oil and Food Security

Unread postby kublikhan » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 01:01:29

OK how about some good news now on food production. Organic farming in the US doubled between 1990 and 2002. And doubled again between 2002 and 2005, with organic livestock growing even faster. All 50 states now have some organic farmland. And this is in an era of cheap oil that this is happening. Can you imagine how fast this sector of agriculture will grow when oil becomes prohibitively expensive?
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Organic/
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Re: Peak Oil and Food Security

Unread postby FishAreBest » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 05:30:08

Yesterday, the UK gov announced an inquiry into Britain's food supply security:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007 ... ssandmedia
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Re: PEAK OIL AND FOOD SECURITY

Unread postby Homesteader » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 09:31:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('inculcated', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Would any notice/care if Africa died off?


Ever done any past life regressions? I'll bet you were a slave ship captain or a plantation owner.

Maybe those in Africa would care?


Oh, I'm sure the people living in Africa are going to be quite upset about the coming dieoff.

But let's be honest, how many people in the developed world spend more than a passing thought worrying about folks on a different continent?

How much influence does the average citizen of Lagos or Nairobi have?

Millions of people can and will die before anyone changes their behavior in the West. Only when the crisis hits home will anyone try to do anything about it.

Did you not look at those charts?

Not a single country in Africa is an exporter of grain. Talk all you want about oppression, racism, civil war, drought, etc...but it doesn't change the fact that nothing can be done to sustain a rapidly growing population on a continent incapable of feeding itself without massive help from the West.


I agree with you JC,

I would add though that millions have died in Africa in just the past couple of decades, and other than a little hand-wringing by some bleeding hearts little to nothing has been done, and honestly, how is a whole continent saved? It has been stated before but is worth repeating: Idealism will be an early casualty of PeakOil.

And yes, I have done past life regressions. Whether there is any validity to the practice is a very open question. What people usually make out of them is a pile of crap. IMHO.
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Re: Peak Oil and Food Security

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 26 Dec 2007, 13:58:52

Trillions in foreign aid has already been poured into Africa. And it has gotten worse. Why? Maybe it is time Africans took some responsibility for their own state of affairs. Zimbabwe comes to mind.
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Re: Peak Oil and Food Security

Unread postby lessa » Wed 26 Dec 2007, 20:19:46

Why keep sending people food and other aid when they won't (or can't) take care of themselves? It makes no sense. So they can breed more and create an even bigger population that they have no way of taking care of?

I'm not heartless, as it may seem. But I believe that "helping" with foreign aid simply makes the problem worse. For everyone. The planet can only support so many people.
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