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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:36:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peak', 'T')aking profits from oil companies? Dow is down 360 with some of the blame to Exxon Mobil. Yes, take profits from oil companies so oil company stocks plunge and another black monday comes! Vote for Hilary so the U.S. economy goes downhill!! please!! I don't want to live in the U.S. anymore!


Aren't teachers unions pensions heavily vested in oil stocks ?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Armageddon » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 01:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peak', 'T')aking profits from oil companies? Dow is down 360 with some of the blame to Exxon Mobil. Yes, take profits from oil companies so oil company stocks plunge and another black monday comes! Vote for Hilary so the U.S. economy goes downhill!! please!! I don't want to live in the U.S. anymore!


The US economy isn't going to make it past 2008 anyway. Doesn't matter who is in charge. To be honest, both parties are same. They hang out at the same clubs, vacation togather, do business togather , etc. It really doesn't matter. The Bilgerberg group decides everything. Have you ever seen who attends those meetings ? We are all just the pawns for their grand scheme.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby aancci » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 07:30:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'D')amn. Is anybody watching the price of oil? It went from $96 down it $92 in a matter of hours. And now it's shooting back up to almost $94 again. Jeez, the market seems spooked. Talk about volatility. 8O

http://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/crude.php


That's a great link, I can sit back with my beer and watch the end of civilisation :P
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 16:21:42

A new record close:

Crude oil rose $2.44 to settle at a record high $95.93 a barrel

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')efinery problems contributed to Friday's gains. Operations at a 172,000 barrel-per-day Petroplus Holdings AG refinery in England are expected to be limited for a month due to a fire earlier this week. And Chevron Corp. said Friday its 330,000 barrel-per-day refinery in Pascagoula, Miss., will run at reduced rates until early next year due to an August fire.

December gasoline rose 9.63 cents to settle at $2.4395 a gallon on the Nymex, and December heating oil rose 6.14 cents to settle at $2.5737 a gallon.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 19:06:48

Oil May Rise as Consumption Increases, Survey Shows

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil may rise next week on speculation that OPEC won't increase production as fast as consumption grows this winter.

Twenty-one of 35 analysts surveyed, or 60 percent, said oil prices will rise through Nov. 9, the first bullish response since July 6. Ten, or 29 percent, said prices will decline and four forecast little change. Last week, 49 percent of respondents said oil would fall...

...Respondents have predicted price drops in the previous 16 weeks. Prices have declined in five of those weeks.

Okay, so does this mean that if these dildos are finally saying prices will go up, we can assume that next week we're in for some sort of hellacious bull-on-steroids run toward, and maybe well beyond, $100 a barrel?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby static66 » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 19:11:39

I wonder if there is a way to tell who posts $100bbl oil first.... quite historic really... it is here within days.... the PO poster who posts first gets a special avatar... or something.

something fun before I have to go offline....
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 19:30:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '[')url=http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=alepfgsNTLZM&refer=energy]Oil May Rise as Consumption Increases, Survey Shows[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rude oil may rise next week on speculation that OPEC won't increase production as fast as consumption grows this winter.

Twenty-one of 35 analysts surveyed, or 60 percent, said oil prices will rise through Nov. 9, the first bullish response since July 6. Ten, or 29 percent, said prices will decline and four forecast little change. Last week, 49 percent of respondents said oil would fall...

...Respondents have predicted price drops in the previous 16 weeks. Prices have declined in five of those weeks.

Okay, so does this mean that if these dildos are finally saying prices will go up, we can assume that next week we're in for some sort of hellacious bull-on-steroids run toward, and maybe well beyond, $100 a barrel?


Well even those (usually anti-PO) energy analysts are not always wrong, but mostly they are lately. Heck Lynch and Yergin have been telling people prices will eventually fall all the way up this, although even they admit that the price could rise temporarily.

We have Mexico shutting in a significant amount of production from Sunday to today (Friday) and their oil storage tanks filled up even before that because tankers couldn't go out in the bad weather.

Just how much oil that is not coming our way is not clear, but I guarantee that this week the analyst consensus will overestimate how much crude is in inventories. So yes, you could get another $4 in a few minutes (but I’m not saying that I know where the price will be next Wednesday morning before that).
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 20:25:21

I remember recently reading somewhere that the 'experts' were correct 53% of the time in their 'up' and 'down' weekly estimates.

I just tried a search and couldn't locate where I had recently read this. Maybe it was here.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 21:13:58

GaryP posted something like at at TOD today.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') do love this quote on their survey of analyst predictions, also from Bloomberg:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Respondents have predicted price drops in the previous 16 weeks. Prices have declined in five of those weeks. The oil survey has correctly predicted the direction of futures 52 percent of the time since the survey's introduction in 2004.


...in other news, Bloomberg investing in a coin to replace its oil analyst survey.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby idomar » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 22:18:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('static66', 'I') wonder if there is a way to tell who posts $100bbl oil first.... quite historic really... it is here within days.... the PO poster who posts first gets a special avatar... or something.

something fun before I have to go offline....


I have no classes next week so I will glued to the TV on Wednesday and i hope to be the first the bring you the news.

can my status be 'don't shoot the messenger'
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby dukey » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 22:28:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he oil survey has correctly predicted the direction of futures 52 percent of the time since the survey's introduction in 2004.


It would be even funnier if they got it wrong 51% of the time.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Sys1 » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 16:20:50

Pretty close to 50%, meaning that playing with a coin is as efficient as asking an "expert" regarding weekly estimates... Mmmm, sorry, the coin is much more energy efficient, as it consumes no food.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 03 Nov 2007, 17:04:30

We will probably see crude stabilize in the $90’s area for a while, until finished product prices catch-up (that is unless some idiot blows up Iran or some other disaster occurs). Once gasoline, diesel and etc. hit $4.00/ gal +-, crude will start rising again. As long as the crack spread is weak, refineries aren’t going to push production very hard, thus decreasing supply and increasing finished product prices. This will dampen demand for finished products and crude for a while. Once the crack spreads have once again reached a profitable level for the refineries, crude will rise once again. Crude won’t permanently fall much until the next depression has firmly set in.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby pup55 » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 14:52:44

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Anyone hear of any news item (other than the obvious) that might be responsible for this boomerang?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby idomar » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 15:05:12

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Anyone hear of any news item (other than the obvious) that might be responsible for this boomerang?



CNBC have said nothing other than that the price of oil is now following the trend of the general market, i call shennanigans on this.

they have had a few sections today talking about the implications of $96 oil, nothing more........but something has the market a bit spooked coming back from over $2 down to flat.

Could it be profit taking in the morning, then reinvesting? although, i I havent seen any market action so suggest this, The Dow, S&P NASDAQ are all down, but i dont see the 'flight to safety' that would normally accompany this

I am not sure but could there be an accumulation of cash holding to buy into the markets when they start heading south proper?
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Revi » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 15:40:11

That was about the time silver took off as well:

http://www.kitcosilver.com/charts.html

It's come back down again, but something happened to spook both markets around 11am or so.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 17:37:13

The Washington Post says it's all the fault of those pesky traders:

Oil's Recent Rise Not as Familiar as It Looks - Traders, Not Political or Supply Concerns, May Be Pushing Fuel Toward $100

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the past 10 weeks, the price of crude oil has shot up $25 a barrel, closing at $95.93 in New York on Friday, near an all-time inflation-adjusted peak. Unlike earlier spikes in oil prices, which came on the heels of war in the Middle East, this latest ascent does not appear to be linked to any one conflict or to any physical shortage.

Instead, traders who treat oil like any other commodity are widely thought to be driving prices upward, bolstered by a weak dollar and money flowing out of stock markets and other investment vehicles.

The comments are priceless. Nobody has any clue of what's really going on. They have absolutely no idea of what's coming. Imagine the shrieking and screaming they'll be doing in a few years.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby Leanan » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 18:50:53

I think it was good economic news that caused the jump. Service sector expanded more than expected, or some such thing. If the economy's doing well, demand will hold up.
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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 20:44:19

This may have given the market a pop:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ssailants bomb Yemen oil pipeline


SANAA (AFP) — A bomb blast damaged an oil pipeline in northern Yemen early Monday, halting the flow to the Hudeida export terminal on the Red Sea, a regional security official said.

Ahmed Fander blamed the attack on a "group of saboteurs" whom he did not identify, according to the official Saba news agency.

The pipeline has a capacity of carrying 155,000 barrels of crude oil per day from the Safer oilfields in Marib, 170 kilometres (105 miles) east of Sanaa, to the Hudeida terminal.

"The flow of oil was interrupted and the pipeline was damaged," said Fander, deputy security director in Marib, adding that an investigation was underway to identify the assailants.

No one was hurt in the attack, the latest in a series to target oil installations in Yemen.


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Re: Another Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 05 Nov 2007, 20:51:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'T')he Washington Post says it's all the fault of those pesky traders:

Oil's Recent Rise Not as Familiar as It Looks - Traders, Not Political or Supply Concerns, May Be Pushing Fuel Toward $100

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the past 10 weeks, the price of crude oil has shot up $25 a barrel, closing at $95.93 in New York on Friday, near an all-time inflation-adjusted peak. Unlike earlier spikes in oil prices, which came on the heels of war in the Middle East, this latest ascent does not appear to be linked to any one conflict or to any physical shortage.

Instead, traders who treat oil like any other commodity are widely thought to be driving prices upward, bolstered by a weak dollar and money flowing out of stock markets and other investment vehicles.

The comments are priceless. Nobody has any clue of what's really going on. They have absolutely no idea of what's coming. Imagine the shrieking and screaming they'll be doing in a few years.


This article makes accusations about traders, yet provide no facts to support this thesis. If you have free markets, there is bound to be some type of speculation - but I see no evidence here that speculators have more than a minor influence.

Also if you are going to quote Yergin, you already are displaying an extreme bias against accepting PO. Funny they did not mention that Yergin has been predicting lower prices for the last three years since oil was about $40:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')It's hard to keep in mind that things do move in cycles and that the laws of supply and demand are unlikely to have been abolished," said Daniel Yergin, chairman of Cambridge Energy Research Associates. "High prices, particularly if they become very high prices, will catalyze responses in supply and demand, and innovation," he said.
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