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The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 16:04:13

I watched this PBS documentary a couple of nights ago about the meth epidemic in America. Not sure what to say about it as we don't have that stuff in Holland (yet), but I was intrigued by the documentary so I thought I'd start a thread about it.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby MD » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 16:34:44

And you don't want it.

Really.

"Tweakers"...dead people walking all pumped on adrenaline with zero fear.

Parents with restraining orders against their children.

Children with orders against parents.

Zombie horde material, not kidding.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 16:42:10

Yeah, meth seems to be the redneck equivalent of crack. It's sort of a DIY drug. Apparently fairly easy to make yourself, though it results it a lot of toxic waste. Tends to be made in back woods shacks and trailer parks.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 16:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')nd you don't want it.

Really.

f'in tweakers...dead people walking all pumped on adrenaline with zero fear.


I know I wouldn't like to see that stuff here; Crack only arrived in the 90's here and luckily still only a "niche" drug (I know Fox news has imprinted on the minds of many Americans that we are an addiction ridden narco-state, while in fact less people smoke Marijuana here than in most Western countries; admittedly the dutch varieties are stronger though)
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby lateStarter » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 16:56:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')nd you don't want it.

Really.

"Tweakers"...dead people walking all pumped on adrenaline with zero fear.

Parents with restraining orders against their children.

Children with orders against parents.

Zombie horde material, not kidding.


Sounds like something that will be showing up in the soldier of the (very near) future's daily rations! It won't be helpful to have GI's parking their Humvee's in safe zones and calling in reports that all is well cause they want to return home to see their families.

Imagine an 'elite' unit of troops (company/division) recruited from South LA and environs (= bangers) provided with all the Meth they need and all the weapons they want, and then told - go get em. Ok, against a disciplined equivalent unit, it probably would't go so well. But drop them into, Africa somewhere and turn them loose with a vague mission (make the surrounding 50km 'safe') and see what happens.

Wouldn't want to be 1rst LT. or Captain for that unit. Officers, best be remote. Leave operatons in the field to the Sarge.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby jupiters_release » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 18:08:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'A')nd you don't want it.

Really.

"Tweakers"...dead people walking all pumped on adrenaline with zero fear.

Parents with restraining orders against their children.

Children with orders against parents.

Zombie horde material, not kidding.


Sounds like something that will be showing up in the soldier of the (very near) future's daily rations! It won't be helpful to have GI's parking their Humvee's in safe zones and calling in reports that all is well cause they want to return home to see their families.

Imagine an 'elite' unit of troops (company/division) recruited from South LA and environs (= bangers) provided with all the Meth they need and all the weapons they want, and then told - go get em. Ok, against a disciplined equivalent unit, it probably would't go so well. But drop them into, Africa somewhere and turn them loose with a vague mission (make the surrounding 50km 'safe') and see what happens.

Wouldn't want to be 1rst LT. or Captain for that unit. Officers, best be remote. Leave operatons in the field to the Sarge.


I think meth was the number one prescribed drug by the military for American soldiers during WW I and it is still today the most prescribed drug for the American population last time I checked, just comes with different names like Ritilan and Aderrall.

Think the zombie factors been long in the making.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 18:13:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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I think meth was the number one prescribed drug by the military for American soldiers during WW I and it is still today the most prescribed drug for the American population last time I checked, just comes with different names like Ritilan and Aderrall.

Think the zombie factors been long in the making.


that's amphetamine. It's present in Ritalin in minute amounts I believe, and it was administered to soldiers in some situations but only in relatively low doses. Methampetamine was, I believe only "invented" around 1980.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 18:24:09

I'm sorry to hear that Shanny :(
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby MD » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 18:54:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '.')..
It's very nasty stuff. It destroys lives, including those of some people I love(d) very much.


Three of my very best friends growing up . . . you know, the very few from earliest childhood that remained friends through adulthood . . . all three gone before age forty.

Two burned fast . . . one hung on as walking-dead for a few years. It wasn't pretty :cry:

And yes, you should fear "cranked" troops.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby PrairieMule » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 19:02:11

We have had 2 encounters with meth lab goons.

First, in 1986 the DEA busted a guy who was cutting through our pastures to get to the Kiamichi Wilderness to run his lab. He posted a 100,000 bond in cash. The other occasion was six years ago. Our ranch got burglarized and they found our John Deere 2230 at a meth lab along with our air conditioning unit cooling a meth lab.

It's a way of life in economicly depressed rural America. As Glenn Frey sung "It's the lure of easy money has a very strong appeal".

The theft of our tractor shut us down for weeks. For that reason, I strap up with a 9mm. They can move it on down the road from our place.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 19:24:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '
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Three of my very best friends growing up . . . you know, the very few from earliest childhood that remained friends through adulthood . . . all three gone before age forty.

Two burned fast . . . one hung on as walking-dead for a few years. It wasn't pretty :cry:

And yes, you should fear "cranked" troops.


I'm sorry to hear that too MD : (

....."cranked" troops.....sounds like a horrible vision of a possible future, even for this forum.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby JohnLudi » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 19:56:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '.')..
It's very nasty stuff. It destroys lives, including those of some people I love(d) very much.


Three of my very best friends growing up . . . you know, the very few from earliest childhood that remained friends through adulthood . . . all three gone before age forty.

Two burned fast . . . one hung on as walking-dead for a few years. It wasn't pretty :cry:

And yes, you should fear "cranked" troops.


My sympathies...I lost a friend to that horrible crap too. One of the most promising and artistically talented people I've even known and worked with. The guy was just starting to make some serious inroads in getting large-scale public exposure of his work and then "poof"...all gone.

The people that make that evil poison should be skinned alive with a potato peeler.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Eli » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 21:59:10

Yes Bas you really don't want that stuff to take hold. Actually in my state you can only buy Pseudophed in small amounts and the Pharmacists keeps it behind the counter.

I think it is worse than crack for a couple of reasons. One it can be easily made with relatively common ingredients, most places don't just have coca leaves laying around. The other thing is that the high can last for days.

I have known a few people who have been on it and it really cooks their brains. Their personality changes dramatically and you can tell they are just not there any more.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 22:45:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')es Bas you really don't want that stuff to take hold. Actually in my state you can only buy Pseudophed in small amounts and the Pharmacists keeps it behind the counter.

I think it is worse than crack for a couple of reasons. One it can be easily made with relatively common ingredients, most places don't just have coca leaves laying around. The other thing is that the high can last for days.

I have known a few people who have been on it and it really cooks their brains. Their personality changes dramatically and you can tell they are just not there any more.


It seems there has been quite a political fight around pseudophedrine and it's now more of a controlled substance, other countries, most notably Mexico are taking similar steps to control it, so that seems like a good development, though apparently it took far longer for that to happen than needed because of resistance of cold medicine producers...

We do seem to have quite a lot of "normal" amphetamine and xtc on the streets here, and I know of plenty people who used that from a couple of times to longer periods of time but they all seem to have turned out relatively ok; meth, and also crack seems to be of a different magnitude of addictiveness and toxcidity.

Anyway, it's sad to hear that so many people here have first hand experience with addiction to this drug; I guess that after watching the documentary it still felt as a far away thing for me, expecting maybe only a couple first hand accounts from people here. I guess it really is an epidemic.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Eli » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 22:51:27

Yeah it is bad.

I think it is kind of burning itself out however. My mom tried to save her friend that got hooked on that shit, suffice it to say it did not work.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Bas » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 22:59:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')eah it is bad.

I think it is kind of burning itself out however. My mom tried to save her friend that got hooked on that shit, suffice it to say it did not work.


I'm sorry to hear that, and to have to say that so many times on this thread. You mean like now everybody has seen how bad that stuff is for you, people have started to think twice (or ten times) before they touch it? (I believe such a cycle occurred with the heroin "epidemic" in the 70's and 80's, though that was probably on a smaller scale)
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Eli » Mon 29 Oct 2007, 23:05:16

Yes, people know it is toxic and are much more aware of how bad it is.

Also a lot of the people who got hooked on it are dying off. You saw the show so you know how it ages a person, it is incredible stuff really.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby horsestoaster » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 08:49:18

Worked with a 21 YO kid who came from a good family.He got caight up in the meth web.Ended up addicted and with HIV.His judgement was so impaired he had sex with at least a half dozen other employees(at different times) even after he knew he was infected.Got two or three little girls hooked too.He didn't tell anyone about the HIV until a year later when he was fired for theft.There were some folks down the road from us who set up one of those labs.We called the Sherriff every other day.(he at one point had to arrest his own cousin for meth)It took a couple months but they got busted big time and no more signs of them back.Meth is a cheap horribly insideous chemical mixture that flat out kills its user and any relationships they have.Devastating stuff.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby brewha » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 11:48:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', '
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I think meth was the number one prescribed drug by the military for American soldiers during WW I and it is still today the most prescribed drug for the American population last time I checked, just comes with different names like Ritilan and Aderrall.

Think the zombie factors been long in the making.


that's amphetamine. It's present in Ritalin in minute amounts I believe, and it was administered to soldiers in some situations but only in relatively low doses. Methampetamine was, I believe only "invented" around 1980.


Actually, you both are incorrect. Aderrall is a mixture of different amphetamine salts, one being dextroamphetamine. Also, Ritalin is methylphenidate and it is not even comparable to methamphetamine. Ritalin does not have any trace of methamphetamine in the substance. About the only thing Ritalin and methamphetamine have in common are the effects they have on dopamine and the receptors in your brain for dopamine.

Desoxyn is the only prescription drug in the US that one can be prescribed that is methamphetamine. It's extremely rare for one to get prescribed the medication.

Bas, in Holland you do see heavy amphetamine usage. Amphetamine and methamphetamine operate in the same manner on your brain. The only difference is one drug substance has a methyl group attached to it. Therefore, it is stronger and last longer. I'm sorry to tell you, but you do have this stuff in Holland. It is called MDMA (methylenedioxymethamphetamine). Notice the drug at the end of MDMA's name? Don't tell me that the devil's drug is not in your country.
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Re: The Meth epidemic

Unread postby Chuckmak » Tue 30 Oct 2007, 12:00:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'l')ike the end of Koyaanisqatsi


i just watched this movie...and i'm extremely disturbed by it...fantastic viewing, though very bothering.
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