[TheDude]

[Topic should read as "I love Peak Oil" - tried to use an ASCII character - need a mod to put in a fix, thanks]

Do you?

Endlessly stimulating intellectually; conspiratorial; a secret known only to a few; ruminations on the machinations of the most of profitable corporations in history; discussions on ways to prepare on one's own or for a theoretical community; all sorts of ruminations on the actions of people in times of crisis. And I could go on.

Of course the reality might not be so jolly. Still - we get a definite buzz doing all this mulling over. Don't deny it!

[kokoda]

No ... I sincerely hope that peak oil is 20-30 years away. I have kids and I want to see them grow up and have good lives.

Reading through these forums I sometimes get the the impression that some of these idiots actually want to see oil production peak, economies crash and see massive population die-offs.

Sadly I feel that we are all being misled about the full extent of our planets oil reserves.

I actually got interested in peak oil a couple of years ago when I bumped into a guy who used to work as a geologist for an oil company.

When you bump into a guy who's job it is to find oil, and that guy, with his years of experience, turns out to believe that oil production had already peaked ... then I figured I had better start paying attention.

[dsula]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'N')o ... I sincerely hope that peak oil is 20-30 years away. I have kids and I want to see them grow up and have good lives.

Reading through these forums I sometimes get the the impression that some of these idiots actually want to see oil production peak, economies crash and see massive population die-offs.

[jbeckton]

On the note of children, has anyone decided not to have children based on their view of the future?

[idomar]

I agree to a certain extent, I love the idea that our way of life needs to change from the current money grabbing, self serving consumerism, where one is judged as successful depending upon what one has in way of material possessions .

If PO is the catalyst for this change then so be it, maybe we can get to the utopia that we have been promised by so many for so long. I am not expecting monkey butlers and housemaid robots just some sense of kinmanship and community spirit, co-operation and camaraderie, instead of the mistrust, fear and selfishness that we have at the moment.

The UK had this type of spirit during the shared suffering of WWII, it has since been lost, maybe shared suffering will force it to return.

Unfortunately, as we have been told, 'The American Way of Life is NON Negotiable', as a non american i find that this attitude will only usher in the opposite of what we need.

I do feel for with those of us in the know who have kids, this must be even more scary.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idomar', 'I') agree to a certain extent, I love the idea that our way of life needs to change from the current money grabbing, self serving consumerism, where one is judged as successful depending upon what one has in way of material possessions .

[Ludi]

That "game" didn't exist in cultures which were non-civilized, which was most of them.


Status was gained through other means such as feats of strength or bravery, or amount of knowledge.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idomar', 'I') agree to a certain extent, I love the idea that our way of life needs to change from the current money grabbing, self serving consumerism, where one is judged as successful depending upon what one has in way of material possessions .

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat "game" didn't exist in cultures which were non-civilized, which was most of them.


Status was gained through other means such as feats of strength or bravery, or amount of knowledge.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat "game" didn't exist in cultures which were non-civilized, which was most of them.


Status was gained through other means such as feats of strength or bravery, or amount of knowledge.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')hat "game" didn't exist in cultures which were non-civilized, which was most of them.


Status was gained through other means such as feats of strength or bravery, or amount of knowledge.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')
Sure, but 2 points.

1) Are you suggesting it is possible to back to hunter gatherer existence with the knowledge we have acquired?

2) Those societies were ruled like a pack of animals, the strongest man was the leader. If you wanted to question that, you fought him, you did not debate him! Harmony with nature is a very violent existence. There is no helping the sick and weak, only getting rid of them. Most people couldn’t make it in the Marines let alone a survival of the fittest lifestyle. I think that most here would prefer our current lifestyle over that because most people are weak and they would not have survived without civilization.

I do not think that is the time that idomar was suggesting but I could be wrong. Am I idomar?

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '
')1) we will go back to the olduvai cliff

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'W')ell we know that agriculture was the single worst path we choose...today we now are living with its consequences.

[Last_Laff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'O')n the note of children, has anyone decided not to have children based on their view of the future?

[jedinvest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '[')Topic should read as "I love Peak Oil" - tried to use an ASCII character - need a mod to put in a fix, thanks]

Do you?

Endlessly stimulating intellectually;.... Don't deny it!

[Ferretlover]

It seems to me that those with small children now might want to put aside (but not disreagard entirely) their fears and realize just how really important their parenting roles are now.
You are raising the next generation and have the chance to train them about what has happened, ehy it happened, and how to avoid the mistakes that have been made.
Your children will be the next stewards of the earth. Give them the knowledge and tools so that they can mitigate the damge done by past generations.

Teach your children well........

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')t seems to me that those with small children now might want to put aside (but not disreagard entirely) their fears and realize just how really important their parenting roles are now.
You are raising the next generation and have the chance to train them about what has happened, ehy it happened, and how to avoid the mistakes that have been made.
Your children will be the next stewards of the earth. Give them the knowledge and tools so that they can mitigate the damge done by past generations.

Teach your children well........

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')
The main problem is, it is very difficult to tell your kids one thing, when their teachers, their peer group & elder relatives are telling them something different. Like the fact that my mother-in-law recently bought 'the girls' plane tickets to go and see some crap ballet-show a thousand miles away & the grounds being that I wasn't looking after their 'cultural education' (whatever that is!).

Thus undoing several years of non-CO2 emissions by carefully folding up our used cardboard and using it as plant mulches & compost.