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Feeling Depressed? Therapy Session Here!

Unread postby Possum » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 19:19:30

As a recent inductee to the Peak Oil Family, I was initially on a roller coaster ride of emotions (up and down like Nanna's Knickers)

How is everyone out there coping?

For me personally, I can say I felt depressed for about 4 days, including a touch of insomnia and bug eyes induced by spending too many hours reading this forum and related PO links!! 8O

Seriously, I think we need a thread so those who feel the need, can share what they are feeling.

I mean this PO stuff really puts a spanner in the works of your future life goals, doesn't it??

For us, possibly the saddest thing is looking at our beautiful toddler and wondering 'what is life going to be like for you?'

But it is not all gloom and doom.

When you think things through, we will certainly be better off in some ways!!

I'm not going to miss - road rage, dead little critters on the side of the road, globalization, paying tax, voting etc etc.

A lot of thing will be better - more time to spend with family/friends, stronger bonds with community, less competition and more co-operation, getting back to commune with nature (we humans are further away than ever from nature).

What do you think??

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Unread postby Ludi » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 19:26:16

I'm experiencing enthusiasm for my life and projects interspersed with little stabs of panic. No depression so far.

I don't see PO especially putting a crimp in my future life plans, to speak of. It's just encouraging me to get around to projects a little sooner than I would have done, but that's all to the good.

No biggie.
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Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 19:32:06

Don't worry, be happy! The world is your oyster. Things have never been better. I'm not a doomer. Humanity has been through much worse. Look at it this way, without our oil-boom society, a lot of our technology might not have been invented. I don't care what anyone says, technology has always saved humanity. Humans have always thought their way out of tough situations. Remember, there have always been doomers. Most of the time they were wrong. They will say they were always right. Timing is everything, however. Predicting the world will end has always been a no brainer. Predicting when has always been the $64,000 question. In the mean time, live!
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Re: Feeling Depressed? Therapy Session Here!

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 19:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Possum', 'H')ow is everyone out there coping?


Well...I may be the outlier here, but Peak Oil is the one bright spot in my otherwise monotanous, vapid, misserable life. I've spent the last 9 years of my life in a combination of med school and residency. I've spent most of that time looking forward to the end of one rotation and the begining of another. Different pain, but always pain. And ya know what....we are all dying. Every single one of us is dying one day at a time. Even though we're dying, we spend the bulk of our time, to quote Tyler Durden, "Working jobs we hate to buy s--t we don't need." Anything to break up the monotany is fine by me. I want to live. I want to know what it's like to test myself as an organism and find out I can survive. Tons of people are chasing the same thing in some western world parody: Reality TV, extreme sports etc. I'd much rather be hungry and scrounging the forest for food than pounding the steering wheel sitting in traffic trying to get to McDonalds.
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Unread postby Aaron » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 19:45:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', 'D')on't worry, be happy! The world is your oyster. Things have never been better. I'm not a doomer. Humanity has been through much worse. Look at it this way, without our oil-boom society, a lot of our technology might not have been invented. I don't care what anyone says, technology has always saved humanity. Humans have always thought their way out of tough situations. Remember, there have always been doomers. Most of the time they were wrong. They will say they were always right. Timing is everything, however. Predicting the world will end has always been a no brainer. Predicting when has always been the $64,000 question. In the mean time, live!


Most probably won't read this, but...

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic2274.html+advocate
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 25 Jan 2005, 21:39:15

I read it, exactly what I'm talking about!
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Unread postby mindfarkk » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 11:21:03

i am depressed as shit right now. which means i've lost all perspective. all my stressors, from PO to watching the administrative soap opera unfold in the white house with jaw-dropping horror, down to the chronic and excruciating pain in my shoulder, and being flat broke and about to graduate into the worst employment market ever which shows no sign of improving at all, have mereged into one big ugly mess in my head. to the point where i'm having nightmares about The Bomb, you know, looking out your window and seeing the bright white flash? i'd say i'm pretty much as triggered as i can get. PTSD... it's a wonderful thing.

my antidote is to say OK ENOUGH OBSESSING ALREADY and narrow my focus considerably. so i quit coming here, for a week, longer if i need to. i quit taking in new, triggering information. i went and listened to some people talk who know how to keep life simple and put first things first and who have, like me, already survived disaster and remind me how to do it. i focus on things i CAN do and stop banging my head against the wall with things i can't. i give myself an immediate *experience* of being effective to counter the soaking in powerlessness i've been having. i feel a little better today. selective denial, used properly, can be a life-saver.

i know not everyone has these same issues but i really have to be selective about what information i expose myself to and when. because there is just no point in overloading the nervous system. it serves no purpose. i have to respect my limits and know when to step back and let go. because if i burn myself out now, if something really bad DID happen, i'd be a fucking mess.

i have spent - no, wasted - way way way too much time in my life agonizing over possible crises that never materialized. occasionally one will, like losing my job four years ago. but for me that's the exception. and that's PTSD to some degree, that's how it's effected me. constantly anticipating, never being able to relax, always working myself up to a crisis. then when something real comes along - holy shit. not that i'm not functional in a crisis, but something like this, where something MIGHT happen or IS happening on this kind of slow, grand scale, i can't respond to with any kind of normal proportional excitement. so i work myself up into a frenzy, lose sleep, exhaust myself, and then give it up for a while. and it is SUCH A WASTE of energy, time, ME. it accomplishes little and what it does accomplish, or cause me to accomplish, it does at great expense to my physical and mental health. i'm saying this because if anyone is out there doing the same thing maybe they will benefit from hearing it from someone else. I KNOW I'M DOING IT. I KNOW that while i need to act, this is not in any way productive and i have to knock it off.

the only way i know to do that is to withdraw for a while, like i said, stop triggering myself, KNOW that this is the same feeling and the same pattern i've been going through all my life, and chill until the inner storm passes. and if the sky falls in the meantime well i'll just have to deal with it as best i can. meanwhile i need to get out of myself, go do something for someone else, get some exercise, get something to eat, and use some positive distractions. and me, i pray. my faith is pretty thin these days but that's when i need to be around the people i most respect and get inspired. and have some fucking humility.
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Unread postby jesus_of_suburbia_old » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 13:22:16

I'm actually feeling quite alright, thank you. I've realized that what will happen will happen. Either we will cooperate to make this work, go up in flames, or something else. I don't know. We were never completely safe or invulnerable. Peak oil just confirms this.
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Unread postby EnviroEngr » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 14:53:41

A worthy venture. Thanks, Possum

Once I get the Ohio PO Conf notes put up, I can start interlinking things in the Psych. Dept. If you don't have your mental health, what do you have?
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 15:34:57

My reaction has not been depression in light of PO, but one of action, which is, accelerating our already pre-enlightened strategy to move to the country and establish a cottage farm.

My biggest frustration and with it accompanying sadness has been my experience in attempting to reach out to family members and get them acquainted with the idea of PO the coming difficulties it will bring. I especially feel the need, the drive to educate my children so they can at least be aware of the problem and begin to make some preparations.

I’ve written to my younger sister (she’s 44) about PO but I was met with basically with no response and even some hostility. That makes me deeply sad. I just recently found out that they are relocating to Connecticut, just across the border from New York. I feel anxiety for her and her children being in that rather densely populated area.
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 15:48:44

Sad to hear that Domus. makes you wonder if their present lifestyle is already so stressful that having to go without conveniences might not make them snap if they had to consider going without. People odn't always to the smart thing. makes you wonder if there isn't some lemming blood in there somewhere 8O :-D

My sister is pretty much the same. in their case I think this would be better for them (if they survive the shock) than they way they are living now. they are totally addicted to their computers even at the expense of their three kids, who are home schooled and one of whom is autistic.

but in my case they are some of the masses I would consider hiding from. as a single parent the last thing I need is five more lazy privliged mouths to feed. especially since they have scorned my lifestyle for so many years (if being a single parent is such a dangerous alternative lifestyle to some people, you know they won't survive what is to come)
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 16:06:07

I've gotten into the habit of treating it like a death in the family. Like a family member who has cancer, and I've been told they only have months to live. But the family member is all of human civilization in my mindset.

Recently I've been reading about overpopulation, which is the real problem, Peak Oil is only a symptom, the one that's going to cause the organs in the body of civilization to shut down.

I don't mind this society, we live better than the royalty of just a couple hundred years ago. I like movies and sports and driving and good rich food and heat/AC and all the other trappings of society. I'm enjoying them more and more every day. 10 years from now I won't find eggs for $3 per dozen and steak at $10/lb. So I'm going to damn well enjoy my steak and eggs now!
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 17:57:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'e')ggs for $3 per dozen and steak at $10/lb


Is that what food costs you now??? gees, we got organic beef for $1.90 - 2.50 a pound. 1 1/2 doz large eggs are 3.63 though
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Wed 26 Jan 2005, 18:34:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '.').. as a single parent the last thing I need is five more lazy privliged mouths to feed.


You have my sympathy of the issue of being a single parent. My first marriage fell apart 12 years ago when my wife fell apart and succumbed to mental illness. To protect the children I took them to live on the opposite side of the state from their mother. It was difficult but we survived. :)

I thank God that I was so fortunate to meet an old friend from my hometown (we knew each other since junior high school) whose children were already grown and out of the nest. We just married last year. One of the elements that attracted each to the other was the desire to move to a rural area and simplify our lives. The target is a small university town in an agricultural area. She's a psychiatrist and needs an environment where she can start a practice as well as teach. Currently I can work anywhere as I've been telecommuting for the last 8 years.

When we finally relocate we're going to start a website that documents our progress at rural living and cottage farming. I'll post a link when it gets started.
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Unread postby Possum » Thu 27 Jan 2005, 21:38:18

DomusAlbion wrote

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y biggest frustration and with it accompanying sadness has been my experience in attempting to reach out to family members and get them acquainted with the idea of PO the coming difficulties it will bring


Yes, I think many of us have experienced this.

The 'hostile reaction' can feel like a kick in the guts, because you don't expect that reaction. We are only the messengers, afterall!!

We found the people who totally dismissed the likelihood of PO are those who we like to describe as the 'know-it-alls'

One of the posters on this forum uses the quote 'the meek will inherit the earth'. I really agree with that.

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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 30 Jan 2005, 17:59:29

Here's my issue: I think I'm becoming OCD. If it doesn't have to do with gardening, greenhouses, crop rotation, planning for the future, or PO I don't give a damn. I have a paper due tomorrow and have a very hard time getting my brain into it. (Marketing)

I see so many things now as irrelevant or (almost) "evil" because it is part of the "system". for example: Marketing is the manipluation of people to get them to buy more. It is using commercial systems that I can't stand and will hopefully go the way of the do-do bird.

All the marketing crap out there is why so many people are on information overload and tune out even the important stuff (like PO). Oh well, one last paper, I think I can manage it.
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Unread postby Ludi » Sun 30 Jan 2005, 18:03:08

I'm trying not to get like that, UE, I'm very obsessed with all this... 8O
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 30 Jan 2005, 18:36:29

Yeah, I dare not take any more economics courses etc until I get this under control. considering how respulsive I find marketing, you might be able to imagine how hard economics is to stick with.

I mean it's interesting (in a sickly fascinating way) but taking it seriously is as tough as listening to a whiner whinge on for the 80th time. But with economics I have a seriously strong compulsion to smack somebody in the head.

By the way I found a really good book on crop rotation. Stellar man! Eliot Coleman The Organic Grower. Killer book. If I didn't borrow it from the library I might start sleeping with it under my pillow. 8O :lol:
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Unread postby Ludi » Sun 30 Jan 2005, 19:48:50

Eliot Coleman is great - look for his "Four Season Harvest." I was reading it just a couple minutes ago!
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Unread postby DomusAlbion » Sun 30 Jan 2005, 20:10:09

UE,

If you're working on your Bachelors degree then you are probably in your twenties; if so you have something that is very important; youth and energy.

Maybe you won't use your marketing education and I hope you don't. You've got the time and energy to start on a new path. Find a skill set that will be portable to a lower energy world. Farming/Gardening definitely but also something you can do with your hands: wood working, furniture making, small engine repair. These things can be self taught and will be more useful in the future.

Remember the world is not going to suddenly fall apart; it's more likely to crumble, slowly at first and then accelerate.
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