[Ludi]

What was the salient point again?

"Give up"?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hat was the salient point again?

"Give up"?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PMS', 'M')aybe oowolf could make it with his situation back in the Bitterroot Mountains and all his plants and knowledge. But I'd wager that he will have swarms down upon him when it gets bad.

[oowolf]

We're all going to die.
Therefore enjoy life while you have it.

For the "more advanced":
What constitutes a good life?
What constitutes an existentially authentic life?
Develop "planetary consciousness".

Just because the rest of you psychotic monkeys are destroying the planet, doesn't mean I have to participate.

Turn on; tune in; drop out.

The Amish were right.
Ned Ludd was right.
The Kogi were right.

Agriculture=mistake
Civilization=mistake
Overshoot=dieoff

How should we then live?

[oowolf]

The "swarms" will never reach me; they'll all be dead in a week or so. Why do you think it's called an Olduvai CLIFF?

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') think now it's best hope for no collapse if nudist colonies are out.

[jboogy]

I think the prudent course of action is to prepare for worst-case scenario: "starving hordes of blister-footed suburbanites rooting thru your garden"---Pops / if it's not that bad then no harm / no foul.Staying the same , ensconsed in an apartment with nowhere to go and nothing waiting for you when you get there is no solution if things do turn to shit. If the infrastructure collapses then feeding yourself and heating your place seem to be the priorities. If you have that covered then protecting it seems to be next on the list . If TSHTF then I believe that those with nothing will not get too far out of the cities and suburbs before succumbing to either hunger , cold or armed groups scavenging to survive. The meanest and most organized of the marauders may have some success roaming and taking by force but they will run into serious resistance once they reach rural areas .We have the food but we also have lots of guns and neighbors. I'm also thinking that law-enforcement will reorganize into a kind of regional militia with citizen reserves should societal structure collapse. One thing I'm fairly certain of is if hungry groups do start heading this way from the city they won't make it far . When civilization collapses civility won't be far behind.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') think now it's best hope for no collapse if nudist colonies are out.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I')t's not an "abyss"

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'N')ot very many, and for lots of good reasons. You can't abandon civilization very easily because it's set up to force everyone to be part of it whether they like it or not.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Well it certainly wouldn't be the time for on the job training. And jboogy, don't rural folks have lots of trucks? They're pretty spread out in the hinterland, big distances and all.

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')ell it certainly wouldn't be the time for on the job training. And jboogy, don't rural folks have lots of trucks? They're pretty spread out in the hinterland, big distances and all.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')ell it certainly wouldn't be the time for on the job training.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '
') A lot of the folks garden, two have bee hives, I and another have chickens.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')Honestly I think those caught in a urban situation those that could bunker down for 4-5 weeks will find much of the opposition to weak put up a fight. Cover the basics and keep a low profile. Then bug out.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', '.')..The problem with the roaming hoards line of thought is not that it will not happen, but that the hoards get smaller with each assault.

[PrairieMule]

PMS-I don't know if you have netflix but I found a rare gem of a doom porn flick called Ever Since the world Ended. It's a mockumentary of a plague that wipes everyone out. It takes place in San Francisco and focuses on how 186 survivors rebuild.

[dinopello]

Thanks PrairieMule, I just added to my Netflix cue. I'm getting a lot of my queue from PO.com! That one had some mixed reviews...

As for this topic, I think the only thing you should be resigned to is getting up every day and doing something (something worthwhile preferably).

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '
')Honestly I think those caught in a urban situation those that could bunker down for 4-5 weeks will find much of the opposition to weak put up a fight. Cover the basics and keep a low profile. Then bug out.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', ' ') That one had some mixed reviews...