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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 18:26:34

Inflation up here has been and continues to be a concern. Our housing bubble is lagging the US by a few years but it follows the same path so far. I'd expect the central bank does nothing up here maybe consider a raise. A rate cut would be a very very bad choice at this time.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 18:33:56

I heard Canada is not following the US with a rate cute?
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 18:39:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nth', '
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The ECB is held accountable to the EU. ECB President has to give monthly newsconferences. You ever see Fed Chief answering media questions in public? Well, ECB President has to do that.

The ECB President must give quarterly presentations and annual ones, too.

I don't see how that is any different than US Fed Chief. If anything, the ECB has to do more.

ECB communications

As for politics, the last President of ECB will seriously disagree with you as the media and politicians kept complaining about his actions during 2000 EUR currency crisis.


The Federal Reserve in the United States is accountable to the US Senate and the President. The President appoints the Governors and the Senate must approve the appointments. Additionally, the Chairman of the Board of Governors (currently Ben Bernanke) is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. This confirmation vote occurs every 4 years.

The President is elected every 4 years and a third of the Senate is elected every 2 years. That's a lot of elections to worry about.

The people who appoint/confirm the ECB president, on the other hand, are not directly accountable to the people.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Unread postby ohanian » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 19:15:55

What is hurt most in this case are the lump sum wages earned by laborers and employees, for they are no longer equal the same value they did two years ago, or since the beginning of this year. They fell victim to inflation and to the price of goods imported from countries using Euros, sterling pounds, yen, and Australian or Canadian dollars, among others. Such corrosion is cause for social misery that countries cannot face by making up for the losses incurred to wages. With the exception of oil-producing and exporting countries, governments (even if they were capable of raising the salary scale at a par with the level of the losses or the inflation that happened as a result of the rise in prices) then it cannot throw on the private sector the burden of this increase because the sector is paying an enormous price with the increase in production expenses. This precludes it from achieving the competitive advantage stemming from two factors: quality and price, and is hence powerless to achieve real and balanced growth.

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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Unread postby nth » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 19:48:24

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The people who appoint/confirm the ECB president, on the other hand, are not directly accountable to the people.


I do not agree with that statement, but I guess it is an opinion on how accountable is ECB vs US Fed Bank.

Just to point out one problem with your comparison:
ECB President is appointed with unanimous consent. It requires every head of state to agree. This is a higher standard than US where you need one President to appoint you and half plus 1 (could be VP) in the senate to consent. But that is my opinion.

As for US elections, do you think they are more accountable than European governments? The EU has many different forms, but are more or less parliamentary in nature. Some heads of state are directly elected, though.

If I were you, I would have pointed out that ECB executive members only get one 8 year term, while US has no term limits. This probably bolster your argument than talking about misinformation about ECB Presidents not having to talk to politicans and the people. But, I guess this is not your expertise.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Unread postby Revi » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 22:26:29

All these paper currencies represent a tiny slice of an ever shrinking pie, now that we've gone over the peak. True, those that still have oil are in better shape, or those who have some kind of growing alternative energy base, but overall the slips of paper that they are issuing are for a dwindling supply of stuff in the world.

I really don't know what the answer is, but metals have held up pretty well during the recent crash of the dollar. I couldn't believe what they had to say in that article in al-hayat! The dollar is down 20% in the past year and a half! Ouch! Here's what got my attention:

"From the beginning of 2006 until the present, the US dollar has lost about 20% of its value, 7% of that in 2007." Michel Morkos


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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 20 Sep 2007, 22:29:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'A')ll these paper currencies represent a tiny slice of an ever shrinking pie, now that we've gone over the peak. True, those that still have oil are in better shape, or those who have some kind of growing alternative energy base, but overall the slips of paper that they are issuing are for a dwindling supply of stuff in the world.

I really don't know what the answer is, but metals have held up pretty well during the recent crash of the dollar. I couldn't believe what they had to say in that article in al-hayat! The dollar is down 20% in the past year and a half! Ouch! Here's what got my attention:

"From the beginning of 2006 until the present, the US dollar has lost about 20% of its value, 7% of that in 2007." Michel Morkos


We have some retirement savings, and now it's worth about half of what it was at the beginning of the 21st century. Great! I plan on stocking up on catfood. We'll all be fighting over it.


On the plus side, a declining dollar internationally doesn't automatically translate into increasing consumer prices in the United States.

Import prices will increase but domestically produced goods and services shouldn't be affected as harshly.

Too bad we don't produce much in the way of consumer goods in this country anymore...
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Unread postby Doly » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 11:12:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Import prices will increase but domestically produced goods and services shouldn't be affected as harshly.


You are forgetting one little detail: even domestic products are transported, using imported oil. And more and more oil-exporting countries are unpegging their currencies to the dollar. The last one is called... guess what?

Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&a

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 11:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Import prices will increase but domestically produced goods and services shouldn't be affected as harshly.


You are forgetting one little detail: even domestic products are transported, using imported oil. And more and more oil-exporting countries are unpegging their currencies to the dollar. The last one is called... guess what?

Saudi Arabia.


As I said, they will not be affected as harshly but they will still be affected.

Oil is not the only cost associated with producing, transporting, selling, and consuming a product.

If oil prices double, the cost of every consumer good will not suddenly double. (obviously, otherwise toothpaste would cost 8x more than it did in 1998:))
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Re: Fed cuts rate 50 BP, puts money presses on "Turbo&q

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 21 Sep 2007, 14:45:18

Lots of people are questioning the wisdom of this move. We'll be seeing a lot of this in the media for a while:

Fed's move called into question - Rising bond yields and a slumping dollar fuel inflation worries after the rate cut

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ields on long-term Treasury bonds jumped, the U.S. dollar sank and the price of gold surged Thursday, intensifying questions about whether the Federal Reserve's move this week to stimulate the economy could backfire.

Though the central bank's cut in short-term interest rates on Tuesday stoked the stock market, it has spooked some other markets -- mainly by raising fears of higher inflation that could undermine the economy.


Treasurys tumble on inflation fears

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ong-term Treasurys endured a third straight brutal selloff Thursday, hit by worries that inflation will accelerate and Saudi Arabia may lighten its Treasury holdings.

Treasurys began falling sharply on Tuesday, pushing their yields higher, on fears that inflation will accelerate because the Federal Reserve radically cheapened the cost of money this week by cutting interest rates by a half-percentage point.
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