[PenultimateManStanding]

Just suppose for the sake of presenting scenarios in the back country that there will be a complete collapse of our entire civilization within 5 years from now, Sept 2007. The cities would manage to hold on a little longer, but eventually they go down too and nothing of all this will be here anymore. Scattered around the countryside are people in small planned communities trying to make a go of it. Marauders never become much of a problem because everyone is pretty much stuck in their location; transportation is out. But trying to build a planned viable community on the run from scratch and with absolutely no outside assistance (say bartering over long distances with no transportation will take decades to reestablish) proves too much and most fail with the people succumbing to famine. A few make it but their position remains precarious indefinitely. Who else would there be still out in the deep rural areas? Some have lots of ammo for hunting. They could hold out for years. But my guess is that if all the rural folks start shooting the game, the game will probably disappear within a few years. Too many hunters.

[SinisterBlueCat]

that is exactly what happened during the great depression

[Twilight]

I never thought any different, all areas will see peak hunting each in their own time. People have always killed and eaten whatever was available during hard times. This is universally the case in cities under siege, for example. In Medieval Europe, it was common to have very severe penalties for poaching on the local aristocrat's land, all the way up to death. This was not just because someone decided to be a badass on a whim, there were sound reasons to stake a claim to whatever resources were needed to maintain your power base if you were in a position to do so, ready for times of distress. Because they knew from experience what always happens - everything that moves, dies.

[Cloud9]

If every drop of oil was pumped out of the ground yesterday, that would not be the end of energy. Synthetic gasoline from coal and ethanol will fuel military vehicles for the next millennium. It is the private individual that will not be able to find personal transport. Trains will run and ships will sail. Fuel will be allocated to key industries such as mining and agriculture. The rest of us will walk or ride our bicycles.

Chaos may be the order of the day. Crime may be common place. Famine may stalk the land but society will not collapse due to the lack of oil.

Society will collapse when the asteroid hits or a super volcano blows its top. These events can end agriculture in even the richest countries for a period of years. When that happens we will turn in on or selves and destroy the last vestiges of our humanity. In that process, we will erase our civilization.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 't')hat is exactly what happened during the great depression

[PrairieMule]

For deer, yes that could be devstating on a ecosystem.

On the flip side, that might not be so bad if we are talking about hunting feral hogs. At our place we have had 2-3 dozen pigs shot or trapped. At 200-300lbs a pig-that's a lot of pork. Very easy to harvest. Just need deer corn soaked in grape kool-aid and high caliber rifle or pistol.

Maybe we could turn those empty oil drums into smokers.

[Plantagenet]

Lots of people in Alaska still exist in part through subsistence hunting. You can get ducks and geese and a Moose or Caribou in the fall. Ptarmigan and grouse in the winter. Lots of salmon and some halibut in the summer.

[SinisterBlueCat]

i guess post peak we will not be seeing to much of this around our parts anymore. this was right outside our building a few days ago

[PenultimateManStanding]

Post-Apocalypse Doomer fiction.

March 23, 2011. The skies have been clear for a week. The rains have washed away the ashes which fell on hard cold ground or paved surface. There is no way for us to know if it's safe or not without a Geiger counter. But we can't stay in forever and we are going outside after 117 days. It is assumed that radiation remains but at what level of danger to our health remains to be seen.

March 25, Haven't had a chance to describe Monday's excursion. There was nothing moving anywhere we looked. Many small and a few large corpses are lying around but strangely they aren't decaying. They are slowly drying out. Looking around for insects showed that they are all dead as well. Nothing moving in the topsoil either. It's an eerie scene and gives me little hope for us.

March 29. All of us who went outside are dying. This will be the last entry as the pain is too great and we have no pain killers. Thank god there's plenty of Bourbon but this isz it ash far as being able to write a coherent sentences, so Ciao.

[Plantagenet]

April 21, 2011. Spring is coming to Alaska. We understand that everyone else in the world has died due to the nuclear attacks and the nuclear winter. Fortunately, the circum-Arctic convergence has kept most of the nuclear fallout south of Alaska, and here in Alaska we are used to -40 to -60 degree temperatures and got through the winter just fine. Now that the environmentalists' interference has ended from the lower 48, we can drill the supergiant oilfield thats been locked up in ANWR, and reconstitute our local petroleum economy. Soon we will begin repopulating the earth with our progeny. I can't wait to begin the process.

[Tyler_JC]

No painkillers? You don't have abandoned pharmacies near your post peak bunker?

Even if its been partially covered in radioactive dust, that stuff should still work.

As for Alaskans repopulating the Earth, I think that would be a fascinating development.

[please continue with your story, I get a kick out of this stuff]

[PenultimateManStanding]

May 6th 2011, Anchorage. The last flight until we get restocked on fuel came in from Prudhoe with bad news. They was plenty of food but the diesel ran out resulting in hypothermia. All dead. No radio contact with any of the 18 platforms or ANWR. Insufficient fuel to investigate.

No ships incoming and no radio contact from anywhere at the port.

May 12. Food rationing plans are falling apart. 57 looters shot today, down from the high of 378 last Saturday.

[Plantagenet]

Sergeant Preston and King the wonder dog set off with a team of huskies from the nearest community, which happened to be in Canada (Anuvik, Northwest Territory) to see why ANWR won't pick up their phone. They mush through blizzards and river overflow and Sergeant Preston had to shoot a polar bear that was stalking the dogteam before they got to ANWR. Then Sergeant Preston had to say "aw shucks" a lot and blush. It turns out the folks at ANWR were visited by some friendly Innuit from Shishmareff, and they decided to have an big indoor hot tub party as part of their duty to repopulate the lower 48, and they put in too much bubble bath and one thing led to another and then somebody dropped their only satellite phone in the water so they were out of contact and they didn't even care. Everything is fine there (and King the wonder dog did some repopulatin' of his own with one of the local female lead dogs.

[TheDude]

A pal of mine likes to quote Nostradamus in his best Orson Wells voice: "People will become...people eaters."

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')ow that the environmentalists' interference has ended from the lower 48, we can drill the supergiant oilfield thats been locked up in ANWR,