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Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby pana_burda » Sat 15 Sep 2007, 22:10:13

As I understand it, the problem is not in the oil production by itself but in the new technologies being set up in the States, regarding the refining of that crude oil.

By closely watching some of the interesting posts in this still new to me yet facts filled board, PLUS the monitoring of hugo´s shameful yet effective steps in that direction I have come to the conclussion the new use this local guy here found for that basic for today´s world, energy producing element.

For instance, right in this forum, it is noticed the giant "increase" of the Venezuelan (read hugo´s) reserves up to an uninimaginable ammount of "PROVEN RESERVES".

Those "new" reserves are nothing but the change in the denomination of the product down bellow the Orinoco basin.

Before hugo, they were called to as "bitumen" but thanks to the magic of some yet to be seen "revolution" they have been converted into "heavy crude oil" reserves with the aid of teams of international "experts". Of course, a Cuban among those experts.

The evidence of that new concept applied to "oil" was in the Porlamar meeting, were some dozen of south/central/ american and caribbean countries gathered together with him and they were promissed the shortage days to be over for at least one full century long yet the small town they´d met, along with the major parts of the country were CADAFE (state owned electric co.) supplies said basic public service, suffers for annoying power outages, since some twenty five years ago. And this guy here has "only" ALMOST 10 out of those years.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007 ... 851715.htm

Believe it ..... or ¿not?

In the few other boards I´ve been part of, I ´ve always suggested the "idea" of an increase in the production of all north american countries (Mx, Us, Can) by a tiny 5% of its current quota would leave this S.A. country out of the list of "suppliers" for that giant consumer. However, after reading several positions in this board, I have the grasp that to be IMPOSSIBLE.

My question to you guys, if I may, is: How much of it holds in some water and how much of it is ..... pure speculation? [smilie=dontknow.gif]
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 15 Sep 2007, 22:53:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', 'A')s I understand it, the problem is not in the oil production by itself but in the new technologies being set up in the States, regarding the refining of that crude oil.

By closely watching some of the interesting posts in this still new to me yet facts filled board, PLUS the monitoring of hugo´s shameful yet effective steps in that direction I have come to the conclussion the new use this local guy here found for that basic for today´s world, energy producing element.

For instance, right in this forum, it is noticed the giant "increase" of the Venezuelan (read hugo´s) reserves up to an uninimaginable ammount of "PROVEN RESERVES".

Those "new" reserves are nothing but the change in the denomination of the product down bellow the Orinoco basin.

Before hugo, they were called to as "bitumen" but thanks to the magic of some yet to be seen "revolution" they have been converted into "heavy crude oil" reserves with the aid of teams of international "experts". Of course, a Cuban among those experts.

The evidence of that new concept applied to "oil" was in the Porlamar meeting, were some dozen of south/central/ american and caribbean countries gathered together with him and they were promissed the shortage days to be over for at least one full century long yet the small town they´d met, along with the major parts of the country were CADAFE (state owned electric co.) supplies said basic public service, suffers for annoying power outages, since some twenty five years ago. And this guy here has "only" ALMOST 10 out of those years.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2007 ... 851715.htm

Believe it ..... or ¿not?

In the few other boards I´ve been part of, I ´ve always suggested the "idea" of an increase in the production of all north american countries (Mx, Us, Can) by a tiny 5% of its current quota would leave this S.A. country out of the list of "suppliers" for that giant consumer. However, after reading several positions in this board, I have the grasp that to be IMPOSSIBLE.

My question to you guys, if I may, is: How much of it holds in some water and how much of it is ..... pure speculation? [smilie=dontknow.gif]


Haven't a clue what you're wittering on about. What's your point amigo?
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby americandream » Sat 15 Sep 2007, 23:23:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'H')aven't a clue what you're wittering on about. What's your point amigo?
That hugo is a lying pustule of fascist jungle fever? I believe that's the point of the avatar.


Why doesn't the dude say so. I mean c'mon....this is the real world fella...we're not virgins in here.

If Hugo jacks up his reserves to fark some uber rich plonka, hey, who am I to complain. I don't like the buggers!
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby pana_burda » Sun 16 Sep 2007, 01:19:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aven't a clue what you're wittering on about. What's your point amigo?


Well, actually there are two points in my post, amigos (that was pretty good about the avatar he he!) :

Point #1

As I understand it, the problem is not in the wordly oil production by itself but in the new technologies being set up in the States, regarding the refining of that crude oil, in order to produce ...... gasoline, for instance.

Does that somehow represent a current reality in the US of A, uhh?

Point #2

In the few other boards I´ve been part of, I ´ve always suggested the "idea" of an increase in the production of all north american countries (Mx, Us, Can) by a tiny 5% of its current quota would leave this S.A. country out of the list of "suppliers" for that giant consumer.

Is it possible for said countries to increase their exports, by that percentage, and fullfill the venezuelan place, as a supplier, in that north american market ?.

Honest here guys, sometimes it gets really difficult to think in one language and try to express those ideas in another different tongue. I pledge for your forgiveness and hope you are patience enough as to try to make sense out my not so clear wordings and communications.

If a third point is "suggested" away, that is how come, somebody, who has not even fullfilled the energy demands of one little town, such Porlamar really is, or that of a single country, such most of Venezuela do represent, could fullfill the ever increasing energy demmands of an entire sub-continent with the economic/financial restrictions, that market, does indeed represent?

Any clearer now, americandream, ...... guys, huh??? :)
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby halcyon » Sun 16 Sep 2007, 04:53:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', '
')Point #1
As I understand it, the problem is not in the wordly oil production by itself but in the new technologies being set up in the States, regarding the refining of that crude oil, in order to produce ...... gasoline, for instance.


Nope. Wrong.

Problems:

- diminishing resource base
- diminishing production volume
- slight structural mismatch between oil produced and refining available capacity
- alternatives do not scale


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', '
')Point #2
In the few other boards I´ve been part of, I ´ve always suggested the "idea" of an increase in the production of all north american countries (Mx, Us, Can) by a tiny 5% of its current quota would leave this S.A. country out of the list of "suppliers" for that giant consumer.


Yes, why not suggest increasing it 10%? 20%. Make it 150% so US can become a net exporter again and be awash in oil, money and wealth.

What is your point?
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby americandream » Sun 16 Sep 2007, 06:04:39

Lol...you really don't like Chavez do ya? I guess the good old days of fifty servants and breakfast in bed's gone out the window since the fascist came to power.
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Re: Crude Oil as a political weapon?

Unread postby pana_burda » Mon 17 Sep 2007, 14:56:23

halcyon:

Thanks for answer #1

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')es, why not suggest increasing it 10%? 20%. Make it 150% so US can become a net exporter again and be awash in oil, money and wealth.


>lol<

See, I am beginning to recognise "irony" when I see it!!! (improving)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is your point?


My precise point is: Should the US of A be all tied up with an "unwanted" oil supplier because of that small gap between their REGIONAL oil production Vs. their OWN oil consumption?

By the way a.d., there are currently 49 very sad servants, because of unemployment, thanks to your not so accurate assertion/perception of our reality. >WINK<
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