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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby jboogy » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 02:27:03

You degenerated into anger and transparent shifting onto me your illogical premise and barely concealed racism. I win AGAIN!!!!Nyah Nyah NA Nyah Nyah
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 02:44:37

Hahahahhahahahaha!

Can't we all just get along [smilie=5grouphug.gif] [smilie=5grouphug.gif]

Cheers! :P [smilie=5grouphug.gif]
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 12:57:40

Obama says that because he is a black liberal democrat, he would have the best chance of winning the presidency because he'd have a good shot at increasing the turnout of black liberal democrats and winning states in the south.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293949,00.html

Sounds reasonable. Blacks overwhelmingly vote for liberal democrats, and a black liberal democrat candidate could probably attract an even high number of what is already an almost monolithic black vote for liberal democrats. :)
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 14:25:45

cum on, dey don't vote period.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Bas » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 15:53:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama says that because he is a black liberal democrat, he would have the best chance of winning the presidency because he'd have a good shot at increasing the turnout of black liberal democrats and winning states in the south.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293949,00.html

Sounds reasonable. Blacks overwhelmingly vote for liberal democrats, and a black liberal democrat candidate could probably attract an even high number of what is already an almost monolithic black vote for liberal democrats. :)


sounds reasonable, but I'll only believe it if it comes from a credible newssource :evil:
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 16:28:41

Obama girl has a crush on Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 16:40:15

Another curious tidbit from the DNA-genetic determinism side of the aisle.

Lefties (southpaws) are genetically pre-disposed to mental illness and schizophrenia

lefties DNA makes them susceptible to schizophrenia
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Bas » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 16:51:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')nother curious tidbit from the DNA-genetic determinism side of the aisle.

Lefties (southpaws) are genetically pre-disposed to mental illness and schizophrenia

lefties DNA makes them susceptible to schizophrenia


ok, I know when to give in to overwhelming evidence....Bush is a liberal.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 17:24:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jboogy', 'A')ll else being equal I think you would find "liberals" have a higher average intelligence


I think a better way to state this might be "people of higher intelligence tend to be politically liberal". But I will add the caveat that "intelligence" in this context isn't referring to I.Q. "Intelligence", in my mind, is a multi-faceted complex of awarenesses, understandings, attitudes and behaviors that all function together in forming our woldview.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'M')any studies have shown that "conservatives", on average, have higher incomes


This says nothing about their "intelligence". It says only that they are more motivated by pursuit of material wealth, which in general is an indication of an overall selfish mindset.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') large percentage of "liberals" who vote the straight democratic ticket come from the inner city, areas where graduation rates from high school are low and incomes are low. For instance, in New York, one of the most liberal cities in America, about 60-70% of the kids attenting public school drop out. These poorly educated kids grow up to become the majority of "liberal" voters in New York. Similar situations exist in LA, Detroit, and other big cities where liberal democrats dominate the local political scene.

It shouldn't be news that education levels are low and poverty is disproportionately high among blacks, who typically vote for liberal democrats at rates of 90% or so. At a rate of 25 percent, the incidence of black poverty is double the national average.


They reason they vote "liberal" is not because they themselves are "liberal", but because they recognize that (genuine) liberals tend to have a more highly developed sense of social justice than conservatives, so their hope is that by supporting liberal candidates they will see their own lot improved. In this case, voting liberal is a matter first and foremost of self-interest (a primarily conservative mindset).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onservatives tend to crave order and structure in their lives, and are more consistent in the way they make decisions.

Liberals, by contrast, show a higher tolerance for ambiguity and complexity, and adapt more easily to unexpected circumstances.


Replace the words "conservative" and "liberal" with "children" and "adults" respectively, and you see what is essentially the distiguishing characteristic between the two camps. In a word, it's a matter of maturity.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 17:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
')They reason they vote "liberal" is not because they themselves are "liberal"


The claim that blacks who vote for liberals aren't liberals themselves is silly. Black Americans almost all vote for liberals and support liberal democratic policies. That makes them liberals, just like the white liberals who vote for and support liberal democrats. The realities of black voting patterns provide much better evidence of their liberal political views then your fantasies about their intelligence or other people's intelligence.

Thats why liberal democrat Obama, for instance, is boasting that he can attract enough black votes to win the presidency while Hillary claims black liberals will vote for her.....

There are a lot more poor inner city black liberals then there are college philosophy professors who are liberals. The modal (i.e. most common or typical) liberal in America therefore may very well be a poorly educated inner city black person.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 18:06:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he claim that blacks who vote for liberals aren't liberals themselves is silly... etc. etc.


If you truly believe all that, then you are so patently clueless that I am not even going to waste my time attempting to explain it to you. I will say only that I have lived around and among "po' 'liberal' black folk", I have lived around and among "upper middle class 'conservative' white folk", and I have lived around and among "middle and upper middle class 'liberal' white folk", and I know from direct, first-hand experience that the first two groups have a hell of a lot more in common as regards their mindsets and worldviews than the first and third do.

Feel free to continue believing your statistically derived pipe dream. I know the reality...
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 18:10:57

So whites who vote for liberals are liberal themselves.

But blacks who vote for liberals aren't liberals themselves?

Excuse me, but I think the reality of what millions of people actually do is a better guide to their politics then your childhood memories. :)
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Bas » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 18:14:32

I think America is bi-polar.

politically that is....
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 18:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'E')xcuse me, but I think the reality of what millions of people actually do is a better guide to their politics then your childhood memories.


It has nothing to do with childhood memories, twit. It has to do with community outreach work. Something conservatives rarely have any clue about... :evil:

I swear PA, if you're really a "scientist" as you claim, then your apparent lack of understanding I see repeatedly displayed all over this forum, along with your proclivity for making ridiculous assumptions about people who post here, is certainly a sad commentary of the state of "scientific" education in this country.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o whites who vote for liberals are liberal themselves.

But blacks who vote for liberals aren't liberals themselves?


Let's see if you can grasp it when framed thusly:

An adult parent makes decisions regarding their children based on having a broader and deeper understanding of the realities of life than the child does. This would be akin to why "white" liberals (to use your categorization) vote liberal.

A child will tend to gravitate toward a parent who is nurturing and supportive (a liberal attitude) rather than toward one who is cold and callous (a conservative attitude), a decision by the child based purely in self-interest. This would be akin to the "black" liberals (that aren't, really) who vote for liberals (the nurturing and supportive parents).

Get it now? :roll:
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:10:13

Your willingness to accept that whites who vote for liberal policies are liberals while claiming that blacks who vote for liberal policies aren't liberals is just silly.

You've clearly made your mind up that black liberals aren't really liberals.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, millions of liberal blacks are about to vote to select a liberal democrat presidential candidate in primaries all across the U.S. And one of these candidates, Barrack Obama, is himself black and a liberal.

You'd better not look!!! You might see one of those liberal black people whose existence you can't accept :-D
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:17:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', 'G')et it now? :roll:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')our willingness to accept that whites who vote for liberal policies are liberals while claiming that blacks who vote for liberal policies aren't liberals is just silly.

You've clearly made your mind up that black liberals aren't really liberals.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, millions of liberal blacks are about to vote to select a liberal democrat presidential candidate in primaries all across the U.S.

You'd better not look!!! You might see one of those liberal black people whose existence you can't accept :-D


I expected as much. In a word:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet, responding in another thread to my question above', 'N')ope.


And incidentally, I neither stated, nor am I implying that there are no genuinely liberal-minded blacks. You, however, attempt to draw the erroneous conclusion that because a large portion of undereducated, inner-city blacks vote liberal purely from what I have illustrated as a selfish, non-liberal-minded motivation, a genuinely liberal mindset is therefore an unintelligent mindset, which is a patently false conclusion.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:30:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', ' ')...a large portion of undereducated, inner-city blacks vote liberal purely from a selfish, non-liberal-minded motivation, a genuinely liberal mindset is therefore an unintelligent mindset, .


If you say so.

I'm just suggested that undereducated inner-city blacks vote liberal because they are liberals. The huge, virtually monolithic group of black liberal voters is perhaps the largest single voting group of liberals in the US.

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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:38:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'U')ndereducated inner-city blacks vote liberal because they are liberals.

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Great. Since you're so sure of your (erroneous) conclusion, go find yourself an inner-city black ghetto to live in and get yourself a nice, big helping of all that liberal "hug the world" neighborliness... :roll:
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:42:18

Its a very naive idea that liberals all have "hug the world" friendliness.
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Re: I'm genetically a conservative

Unread postby TWilliam » Thu 13 Sep 2007, 19:42:21

Gee PA, I love how you twist sh*t to make it look like people say things they didn't. Learn that one from your vaunted "peer review process", did you?
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