[Eli]

I hate this site some times.

I really can't count the times that I have seen an academic discussion go on then only a few months later it shows up as a breaking MSM story.

This site is more of a think tank than just another web forum.

The next story to come out will be how insane corn ethanol really is.

What is the price of food going to do if shortages of gasoline or diesel reappear towards the end of the summer?

That could be a painful lesson on how import fuel is to our food production.

[sirrom]

if milk and cheese prices are going up,that is a good thing as it means less energy will be wasted and less animals will suffer.

[shortonoil]

sirrom said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')f milk and cheese prices are going up,that is a good thing as it means less energy will be wasted and less animals will suffer.

[Eli]

Short well said.

It all comes down to energy, it does not matter how it is measured, whether it is measured in calories or BTUs makes little difference.

Some people will never understand the concept of how a barrel of oil can make the progress through the gut of pauper and a King, even as they starve to death.

[frankthetank]

Jim--

My family owns some acreage up your way (Arcadia area) and they (my brothers) STILL are planting a close to 10 acre field (soybeans) to feed the deer. Its mind boggling. I guess money is not an issue with them

[Pops]

I like this guy: John Ikerd, he has written a lot on sustainable and small scale farming. He has written on PO some before but not quite as directly as this article in Small Farm Today Magazine, frome the end of '05.

[url=http://web.missouri.edu/~ikerdj/papers/SFT-Peak%20Oil.htm#_ftn1]
In meeting the challenge of peak oil, we must not allow agriculture to be viewed with the same industrial mind-set that has made the global economy so completely dependent on fossil fuel.[/url]

[Judgie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') like this guy: John Ikerd, he has written a lot on sustainable and small scale farming. He has written on PO some before but not quite as directly as this article in Small Farm Today Magazine, frome the end of '05.

[url=http://web.missouri.edu/~ikerdj/papers/SFT-Peak%20Oil.htm#_ftn1]
In meeting the challenge of peak oil, we must not allow agriculture to be viewed with the same industrial mind-set that has made the global economy so completely dependent on fossil fuel.[/url]

[sirrom]

milk has fallen to 17p a litre in england,it was 23p a litre a year ago.on a side note,it costs farmers 21p to produce 1 litre of milk.

[milkman]

2007....tuff year to figure for a farmer

ethanol ruse drives corn prices up double....making corn growers rich right?
maybe not considering the price of fuel, fertilizer, chemical applications
livestock farmers who feed corn and soybeans are taking it on the chin
thanks big bro for throwing us that high priced milk bone....might just break even
then there is that pesky drought...can't grow anything with no water! watch the beef prices paid to farmers plumet as we all bail out....which ironically will bring the prices down in the store...well temporarily
my dad (depression child) always told me of the tough times they had growing up....his favorite expression was....
we were farmers, we were dirt poor, but we sure did eat well.

[mmasters]

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[dukey]

living and working on a dairy farm .. i have a few things to say about this

Firstly, the growth hormones they inject in cows. They are illegal over here. But in USA anything is a go .. so .. lol.

As for milk being actually bad for you. Milk is good for you .. but mainly only in it's raw form. Pasturising milk destroys a lot of the vitamins and generally the stuff that is good for you. But .. over here its illegal to sell unpasturised milk. The consumer has been robbed of the choice. I drink pure unpasturised milk every day, tis great lol. As for milk being loaded with diseases etc, unless they have thrown away hygiene and the testing procedures you won't get diseased milk in the supply. The testing is pretty rigourous, at least in the UK it is .. One cow with a problem can destroy 1000 litres of milk and the farmer wont get paid, so go figure.

But looking at food in USA, it is the route of a lot of diseases. You people simply eat shit. GM crops ? lol. Food from USA is almost worthless on the export market because its all GM and no one wants it here. Anyways

[NEOPO]

I know we must have some smart folks here, perhaps some Mod's who can refute everything about this thread.

Damn "conspiracy theorist"!

[SinisterBlueCat]

personally, i love milk, but it makes me sad, and disgusted.... continual pregnancies, unwanted offspring and slaughter are all part and parcel of the plastic gallon jug of milk we buy at the grocery store.

so, i prefer to do without usually.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'p')ersonally, i love milk, but it makes me sad, and disgusted.... continual pregnancies, unwanted offspring and slaughter
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[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'p')ersonally, i love milk, but it makes me sad, and disgusted.... continual pregnancies, unwanted offspring and slaughter
.

[threadbear]

SBC, I couldn't resist. Agribusiness disgusts me completely. The economies of scale in that industry, required to feed too many people, is the most compelling argument for population reduction,imho. It's collective soul destruction on the part of humanity.

A little bit of milk gives me a headache. If I drank over 8 oz of homogenized and I didn't have access to anti-histamines, I could end up in the hospital. My main concern is for the cows, though. Sweet animals, trusting, big brown eyes. I love them.

[NEOPO]

I like it how americans enjoy pointing out how odd it is that hindu's worship cows while they use and consume pretty much everything but its damn eyeballs... that is unless there is something I do not know.. doh! pepperoni?

[jboogy]

I have a couple cows and I hate them. Stupid nasty ,stinkin' pigs . If I wasn't so concerned about an emergency source of protein I would have sold them long ago. I enjoy shooting the calfs with a blunt tipped arrow when they wander outside the pasture . Sometimes I fire em' up with the paintball gun just for kicks. Believe it or not I am a bigtime animal lover too . When I first got them I was thinking : I hope I don't get attached to them too much cause the plan was to slaughter a steer a year for meat and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to drive him to the butcher . Well , no chance of that happening , my first bull T-bone was a big , nasty son of a bitch that would stomp you into the ground given half a chance, the wife and kids weren't even allowed in his pasture he was so dangerous.Cows cute ? Spend some time with one . To be fair mine are beef cattle which are known to be a little nastier , dairy cows can be gentle but they're still filthy pigs.

[SinisterBlueCat]

filthy cows are usually a symptom of poor farm management.

[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')BC, I couldn't resist. Agribusiness disgusts me completely. The economies of scale in that industry, required to feed too many people, is the most compelling argument for population reduction,imho. It's collective soul destruction on the part of humanity.

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