[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')and I hope you are able to say the same when our roles are reversed.

[wisconsin_cur]

Regarding peak rights, I think you are right we are all in for a limitation of our choices in the near future. this is why the choices we make now are so important, where you land will have a lot to do with how we weather the days to come.

Regarding ideals I'm at a point in my life where I don't care too much about someone's ideals. Ideals are the things that you shed when forced by circumstances. I remain interested in character; what will a people or a person hang onto even at the risk of death. I don't care about the professed ideals of my neighbors (as I try to figure out what kind of post peak neighbors they will be) I am trying to judged their character.

Looking at the character of societies one could ask a similar question (perhaps I have some suspicions but I have no proofs... only judgments) how will America respond neo-federalism or totalitarian despotism? France? Finland? Russia? Saudi Arabia? China? We could argue about them all.

I think the only real good hint we have is in history. I don't know who we will get there but I see an ana-federalist future for my own USA. I can not foresee our women accepting loosing the right to vote I can see some who would be willing to tolerate a return to involuntary servitude, I hope we will avoid that. I would be surprised if I do not witness in my lifetime a call to genocide against some minority group. Doesn't match up with our ideals... I think it matches up with our character.

I'll let those with better assessments of other nations talk about those nations.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')What makes you think he was a cruel slaveholder

[NEOPO]

About democracy - it is a lie.

All of them were murderers and thieves, just ask the ghosts of the dead natives.

I always wondered what affluent little squishy heads do with their time.

America! Fuck yeah! Come to say/save (I cannot find anything freudian in this slip hmmmm) the MotherFN day yeah!

Slavery? OH slavery is still on going and one of our numero uno sources of energy SA is a cabal of slavery yet as long as the black stuff flows and our Suv's continue to go...nary a FN peep.

Sickening, apathetic and with any luck it will end in a brilliant blaze of pretty white light.
Sleep tight...

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')mar was murdered by a slave because he was a cruel, racist slaveholder.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')at the beginning of the religious period, the religion maintains its purity

[Plantagenet]

Muhammad himself said, on the subject of Muslim slaves:

“And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess…” (Q. 4:24 )

The above verse shows that Muhammad expressly approved of the rape of female slaves. A happily married woman living her own life could be captured and enslaved and would then "belong" to the slaveowner, who was permitted to rape her. When Muhammad and his devout followers attacked towns and captured women, the women would lose all rights, and while their husbands were being killed or enslaved the women would taken and enslaved by a Muslim who was permitted to rape her.

And that's the "pure" period???

[Bas]

I think Mekrob's point is that there were both relatively good and relatively bad authoritarian leaders in the past (in both Christian and Muslim worlds), besides that, the judgement if a leader was relatively good or bad should be based on the norms of the time and place.

Personally I prefer democracy at all times, though there are definately some inherent flaws to it; also I think there are better and worse systems of democracy, good examples of bad systems would be the federal levels of both the US and the EU, where the EU has too many cheques and balances/bureaucracy, the US has too few/corruption.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he above verse shows that Muhammad expressly approved of the rape of female slaves.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'I') think Mekrob's point is that there were both relatively good and relatively bad authoritarian leaders in the past (in both Christian and Muslim worlds), besides that, the judgement if a leader was relatively good or bad should be based on the norms of the time and place.

Personally I prefer democracy at all times, though there are definately some inherent flaws to it; also I think there are better and worse systems of democracy, good examples of bad systems would be the federal levels of both the US and the EU, where the EU has too many cheques and balances/bureaucracy, the US has too few/corruption.

[Offshore]

Islam says slaves should be treated kindly? LMFAO. God willing you should be a slave in Mauretania or Sudan so you can see exactly how kindly you'd be treated by those nice Muslim terrorists.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ')Where does it say it's OK to rape slaves? It says it's OK to have intercourse with slaves

[Plantagenet]

While Mekrob has done a good job explaining the glories of the Caliphate and the Islamic mode of government and the opportunities it provides for loving, consensual relationships between slave girls and their masters, I must agree with Bas that the democratic model of government probably offers people a better chance to protect their human rights and have a decent government.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'H')e is not, if he does not kill the ones that disagree with him and allows criticism, and there is a law that says : when there are X number of people in the street asking you to step down you must step down

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'W')e have a strange form of democracy , it's like we are paranoid and change the leader every 4 or 5 years, for him not to gain power and become a dictator .

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'a') republic is the best way to respect rights.