[dukey]

i've rather my threads not be merged ;p but its good to know there are others here who are just as informed. *Looks at NEOPO*

[CarnbY]

scary stuff indeed... Did anyone look into this? What I hate about hearing things like this is having to spend hours to find out if the person saying this stuff is some looney full of crap, or if it's genuine... I think that's why a lot of people ridicule/ignore/disregard "conspiracy theories", it's a lot easier to just dismiss it than checking for yourself whether it's actually true

[manu]

A friend of mine who lives in South Africa told me that the Monsanto seed warehouse there was built like a fortress. Why do you think there are so many obese people in the U.S. They have been eating animals (fast food) that have been fed genetically modified grains for years. In a few more years the kids will be growing corn cobs out of their ears.
Why do people need natural herbs? Monsanto and the Big Pharma will give them chemicals, lots and lots. Started by the Nazis in World War 2. Mother Earth is going to do a cleanup job on all of them very soon!

[Falconoffury]

I wonder how they expect to change kosher food.

[Stratovarius]

I've heard some "experts" say they're useless, I've heard other "experts" say they work.

I don't think it could hurt to take a multivitamin/multimineral daily, but you should probably avoid taking a supplement for A, D, E, and K since they're all immiscible and your body might end up storing hazardous quantities in adipose tissue if you're taking a lot more than you need.

It's probably wrong to think swallowing a pill will satisfy everything your body needs because I'm guessing a pill lacks, or at least has less of, many phytochemicals and secondary metabolites that you get when you eat actual food.

[Ludi]

Some people seem to do better on various supplements, others don't seem to need them. As with anything dietary, everyone is different.

I think it's better to get nutrition from food, if possible.

[firestarter]

I take the following:
Malic Acid, 4000mg Vit D, 4000mg Vit C, 100mg ALA, 6000mg Taurine, Lecithin after every meal, Co Q10 100mg, PHP at bed time, Creatine/Glutamine at bed, Whey protein, Fish oil, Quercitin, Resveratrol, Hyaluronic acid, and Ginger Root.

I also eat largely a plant based diet, rarely drink alcohol, and never smoked. I'm an exercise fanatic--running and lifting. I've also become very interested in the paleo-diet. Supplements and exercise are my dope. All, btw, done in the spirit of Albert Camus.

[gw]

Since it is possible to develop diseases caused by the lack of essential vitamins and minerals, it would be a good idea to keep vitamins or minerals on hand in case the food source is interrupted. I don't think multivitamins store as well as individual supplements.

But it is much better to know which food sources supply essential vitamins and minerals. I don't know if this subject is covered in the "planning for the future section" but there should be a list of essential vitamins and minerals and the corresponding food sources, which are mostly fruits and veggies.

Trivia: Scurvy was a common disease among sailors until they discovered that the vitamin C in limes could prevent scurvy. The nickname "limey" was given to the people that loaded sacks of limes aboard sailing vessels.

[Pretorian]

I've been taking 2-3g of Vit C and 10-12 times more than reccomended of Vit E and B12 for some time, but had never felt any difference when I stopped taking them.
The only time I felt the difference is when I had Si minerals in my water jugs.

[Stratovarius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gw', 'S')ince it is possible to develop diseases caused by the lack of essential vitamins and minerals, it would be a good idea to keep vitamins or minerals on hand in case the food source is interrupted. I don't think multivitamins store as well as individual supplements.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gw', 'T')rivia:Scurvy was a common disease among sailors until they discovered that the vitamin C in limes could prevent scurvy. The nickname "limey" was given to the people that loaded sacks of limes aboard sailing vessels.

[alokin]

I read that artificial vitamins even can cause harm. The bad thing is that the recommended daily intake is different in every country - scientists do not really know. The known vitamins are only a part of the vitamins, there are still some to discover and many only work well in their natural environment, e.g. vitamin a (?) is only useful with another component found in carrots.
Nature gave us an instinct, to tell whether one ate enough vitamins, after three oranges you are simply fed up wit oranges. Ans this does not work with supplements, you may get too much and too much is not good for you.
Maybe storage (if possible) for severe food interruptions could be good?

[smallpoxgirl]

The truth is that vitamin deficiency is almost unheard of in the western world today. As a biochemistry professor of mine use to say, Americans have some of the most expensive urine in history. We keep dosing ourselves with excessive amounts of vitamins and straight away pee them right out. I think it's sort of a hold over from the days when vitamin deficiencies actually occurred. We all learned in school about rickets and scurvy and such that were a real concern when our grandparents were in school. Now we all neurotically choke down vitamins hoping to stave off diseases that disappeared 80 or 100 years ago.

There may well come a time when we have to worry about that, but today is not that time. That's assuming of course that you're not a demented elderly person that decides to eat nothing but potatoes for six months or something. Women who are pregnant or planning to get pregnant would be another exception.

[drgoodword]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he truth is that vitamin deficiency is almost unheard of in the western world today. As a biochemistry professor of mine use to say, Americans have some of the most expensive urine in history. We keep dosing ourselves with excessive amounts of vitamins and straight away pee them right out. I think it's sort of a hold over from the days when vitamin deficiencies actually occurred. We all learned in school about rickets and scurvy and such that were a real concern when our grandparents were in school. Now we all neurotically choke down vitamins hoping to stave off diseases that disappeared 80 or 100 years ago

[gw]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he truth is that vitamin deficiency is almost unheard of in the western world today.

[katkinkate]

My understanding is that you're better off eating foods rich in nutrients rather than popping pills because the recognised therapeutic agents evolved with all the other chemicals within the food and work more effectively in smaller doses with all the other chemicals (syncrenistic effects) rather than in high dose isolation. A multi-ingredient salad a day provides better nutrition than a multivitamin tab.

[firestarter]

The modern Western diet is composed of apprx 20 or so ENGINEERED food staples. The paleolithic diet of nomadic peoples, which went on for apprx 2 million years was composed of primarily plant based, non domesticated animal and non agricultural food sources. This diet had variety that numbered into the thousands.

Those who claim that our ENGINEERED food sources are better standing alone, without supplementation ,are merely parroting the words and intentions of the food industry.

This is not to imply that the supplement industry is not as compromised as that of the food cartel, for it largely is. But with not much effort one can find a happy medium between the two, which admittedly falls short of the plant based diet of old, but works optimally, within its limitations, in a world populated by nearly seven billion eaters.

At any rate, a low calorie, plant based diet (even with the limited variety) along with strategic supplementation will improve ones quality of life immensely--you won't get fat, which is a good start indeed.

Not all supplements are equal, however, relative to their bang for the buck. What I digest achieves, for me, an avid exerciser, all that I desire. Would I function much differently without the supplements? Actually yes. Any active, athletic person who supplements will tell you the same, which is why virtually every athlete, beyond high school supplements their diets.

Those of you who don't exercise and don't supplement, but eat a relatively low calorie, relatively balanced, diet also will achieve benefits that others who don't comply will lack in. Different strokes for different folks. But for the food nazis to chime in that supplementation is largely a waste of time, and that a so called balanced diet is all that is needed for peak performance, I think some more homework is in order for you.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', 'T')his is not to imply that the supplement industry is not as compromised as that of the food cartel, for it largely is. But with not much effort one can find a happy medium between the two, which admittedly falls short of the plant based diet of old, but works optimally, within its limitations, in a world populated by nearly seven billion eaters.

[firestarter]

My understanding about gatherer hunters was gleaned from basic anthropological facts from the likes of Theresa Kintz and others who inform us that the vast majority of pre civilized diets consisted of wild, non domesticated food sources, of which animal hunting was a very small and infrequent part of.

As recently as 150 years ago many American Indian tribes, particularly those of the Great Plains, were nomadic in nature and employed the gathering process as the primary source of their food. That is precisely why they were nomadic in the first place. The idea of plant and animal domestication as a source of food was as foreign to them as it was to their ancestors a million years before.

[Maddog78]