[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')e estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century?

[Plantagenet]

[Plantagenet]

The table above was published about 1987. Rummel has revised some of the numbers in this table upward based on new data that become available only after the fall of the communist states of eastern Europe ca. 1987 and the improved access to Chinese data on mass murder during the Maoist period.

However, even with the partial 1987 data on the communist states, the communist death toll is still greater then 100 million.

[deMolay]

My Communist useful idiot read up on the benevolent Chinese Version of Communism. www.ninecommentaries.com

[dorlomin]

If you are arguing 'capitalism' and 'communism' you are talking at a level so infantile that it does not bear thinking about. Unless you are arguing for the sort of 'sovieriegn individual' type of liberatarianism then all states exhibit some form of communal pratice and all have some form of private property, so the world is and always since time began has been made of mixes of communal and personal ownership.

The two ideas of communal and personal ownership are not mutualy exclusive and never have been. Ofcourse that herr Cheney wishes to implement communal ownership rules of resources he does not own is totaly hipocritical and predictable.

The idea that Gazprom, Lukoil and the like are 'capitalist' is to by into a paper thin veneer covering the fact they are all but state owned in name.

There is no 'right' system but some are more appropriate for circumstances than others. It may seem a moot point but the current American system could only be built on the genocide and theft from an entire continents worth of people. You murdered and stole your way (as much as built and innovated) to a capitalist paradise. Suggeting communisim (of the Marxists Leninist Stalinist flavour) is inherantly evil for the same crimes is a bit laughable really. It may be more evil but it is not an absoulte evil set against some Manichean veiw of Capitalism as good.

[paimei01]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', 'D')ear Peimai01

Your avatar is not communist, it is very much capitalist, you saw the movie good bad and ugly?


Communism is pie in the sky like you said, so then
your politcal beliefs are pie in the sky?

Never will happen since people are inherently evil.
There is no protection from tyranny in communism, because the majority are gullible.

It will never work.

When you say I AM COMMUNIST

then either you are a snake trying to steal my land

or you are gullible and I can easily take your land.



This is similar to going to the 4 year old who just recieved a box of candy as a treat from his mother and telling him
"You know, if you are a good boy, you would give everyone here your candy."
And he does.
Then when you get a box of candy, and he wants some you tell him.
No, this is special candy for me, and it wiould make you sick.

that is communism.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ostly other totalitarian states (Nazis, the militarists in Japan from 1930 on, etc.) and colonial states (places like the Belgian Congo, etc.).

[eastbay]

made up number to justify US atrocities.

ALL such 'numbers of killed' are exaggerated and puffed way out of proportion to what really happened.

It happens every time.

Eastbay (communist sympathizer)

[Offshore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'A')LL such 'numbers of killed' are exaggerated and puffed way out of proportion to what really happened.

It happens every time.

[eastbay]

Probably true.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', ' ')when a communist country is not able to feed its people its murder.

[paimei01]

I think the natural way for people to organize is in small groups where everybody knows everybody.
Maybe I am not a communist if by that you understand an angry man who kills the rich and takes their land, I am more into Zen.
But if I had lived in 1900 as a worker I am sure I would not be as calm about it as I am now

Look here :
Bush about Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')e also warned that once Iran had nuclear weapons it would set off a nuclear arms race in the region. It would allow extremists to control a key part of the world's energy supply and hold the Western world to ransom.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts murder if the policy of the communists is directly responsible for the famine.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts murder if the policy of the communists is directly responsible for the famine.

[Plantagenet]

There is a HUGE amount of information on the numbers killed by states and the number killed by wars at the Univ. of Hawaii site

Here, for instance, is a link to a table comparing French deaths in WWII and other wars to the numbers killed by France in Algeria during the severe repression in the late 50s trying to keep the country as a colony. The French killed far more through torture, moving people to camps, starving them in camps, not providing medical care in the camps, etc. then they did in actual combat.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB15.1C.GIF

That is Rummel's most important finding....that state repression and murder kills more people then war.

The table contains a great deal more info.

The bottom line is that totalitarian states kill huge numbers of people under their rule, and the number killed by the totalitarian communist states is by the far the highest death toll of all human history.

[holmes]

yes facts and common sense are not the strong points of delusional utopians such as commie sympathizers. They do not mind a prolonged starvation. Or a gestapo slaughter. Thats just part of the manifesto to "make things right". and to make it the "way it should be".

[eastbay]

I agree holmes. There's too much fat around. A period of extreme scarcity would certainly make things right again. I can't wait.