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Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 01:04:31

"The UK architecture firm of Foster + Partners has announced that the walled city of Masdar in Abu Dhabi, being designed by the firm, will be the world's first zero-carbon, zero-waste city. Masdar is a 6 sq-km (1500 acre) carfree walled city. Abu Dhabi’s Future Energy Company is the project sponsor and will locate its headquarters in the city, which will also include a new university, special economic zones, and an Innovation Center."

http://www.carfree.com/cft/i046.html

Here's an Artist's rendition of a street:
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It's supposed to be complete in 2009. Here's some more info from the site:

"Most interestingly, the project will be based on the traditional planning principles of walled cities, united with new technologies, to achieve the sustainability target. The city will be linked by a network of existing road and new rail and public transport routes to surrounding communities, the center of Abu Dhabi, and the international airport.

The maximum distance to public transport will be 200 meters (about yards), and a compact network of streets will encourages walking. A personal rapid transport system will be constructed. Shaded walkways and narrow streets are expected to create a pedestrian-friendly environment, no mean feat in Abu Dhabi's scorching climate."
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby FireJack » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 11:39:37

If its in the middle of the desert, I wonder where the food and water will come from.

Also this design will make it easy in the future to watch and capture people who do things not considered Islamic. Public tortures and killings can also be easily shown to everyone. Once society breaks down, I know the UAE isn't that bad right now.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 14:24:24

This reminds me of the Mall of America. At one time, when finished, the Mall would not only have retail stores and restaurants, but, also residential hotels, schools, medical services, etc., all under one roof.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby thor » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 15:26:49

How can you possibly live in such a place? No thanks, I'd like to see forests, rivers and lakes. I wonder what the suicide rate would be in such a jail.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby zoidberg » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 18:49:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'H')ow can you possibly live in such a place? No thanks, I'd like to see forests, rivers and lakes. I wonder what the suicide rate would be in such a jail.


I'm sure they'll build some doors to the outside. :lol:
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby joe1347 » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 23:41:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'H')ow can you possibly live in such a place? No thanks, I'd like to see forests, rivers and lakes. I wonder what the suicide rate would be in such a jail.


Maybe something more along the lines of Dark City perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_City_%281998_film%29
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby jdmartin » Sat 18 Aug 2007, 23:42:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thor', 'H')ow can you possibly live in such a place? No thanks, I'd like to see forests, rivers and lakes. I wonder what the suicide rate would be in such a jail.


No forests, rivers or lakes to see in UAE anyway :lol: Hell, this is an upgrade over the sandstorm-swept hellhole most of them live in now...
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby IanC » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 00:20:16

Well, they certainly are brave. I mean, if there is no net carbon use, then I guess there is no electricity-generated air conditioning, right? I suppose they could use their massive hydroelectric dam to generate power and not all the oil they're sitting on. I'm sure they've also figured out how to make constructing a 1500 acre city in the fucking desert a carbon-neutral endeavor - hydrogen and/or solar powered backhoes and biodiesel generators. Maybe they hope to "offset" their carbon use with planting zillions of lush maple and poplar trees in the fertile soil of their forward-thinking country.

I'm usually not this sarcastic - only when I hear about one of the signs of the apocalypse.

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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 19:43:03

Don't laugh, walled cities with covered streets and passageways and a marketplace were common in medieval Europe. Food and other materials were brought in from the surrounding country, for which the cities served as political and economic hubs. There are still places where you can see the original architecture, and it is an arrangement which makes a whole lot of sense in the right context.

Obviously if that is what they are emulating, I would say it shows interesting forethought.

If on the other hand they are talking about a big shopping arcade, they are doing their research all wrong.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 19:56:41

Oh yeah the Arabs are environmental heroes now.

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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby KaiserCesar06 » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 20:17:27

Reminds me of the city on Mars in the old Arnold movie Total Recall.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby mekrob » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 22:01:18

This isn't really a shopping mall.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')asdar will be a dense, walled development built in two phases. Wind parks, photovoltaic farms, research fields, and plantations will be sited outside the walls


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')The city will house the Masdar Institute of Science and Technology, the graduate science and research Institute currently being established in cooperation with MIT; research facilities; world-class laboratories; commercial space for related-sector companies; light manufacturing facilities and a carefully selected pool of international tenants who will invest, develop, and commercialize advanced energy technologies. The city will also host Masdar's offices, residential space for employees, as well as a science museum and edutainment facilities.

Masdar CEO, Sultan Al Jaber explained, "There is nothing like this in the world. We are creating a synergetic environment; it is a true alternative energy cluster. Here you will find researchers, students, scientists, business investment professionals, and policy makers all within the same community. It will be a living example of sustainable development that will position Abu Dhabi and Masdar at the forefront of intelligent resource utilization. It will combine the talent, expertise and resources to enable the technological breakthroughs necessary for truly sustainable development."


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As far as food goes, can't they have protected environments around the city (like greenhouses) that could withstand sandstorms that could be used to produce food? And I imagine it's near the water so it's possible to use electricity to filter the saltwater.

In the very least, we should give a nation that has been thrust onto the world economic stage like few have ever been some credit. Rather than blowing all the money like most people would, they're thinking towards the future more than nations that are have a history of industrialization and economic prosperity. So when's the US government even gonna come close to anything like this? And you're mocking them for at least trying?
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 22:30:27

From an Economic standpoint, I think they're using their vast financial resources to position themselves for the future. As oil runs out, they will undoubtedly be in the Solar Power generation business. Makes sense to me.

I just read about a project running power cables under the Mediterranean Sea from Algeria to Italy and Spain. It's not funded yet, but the theory is that Algeria will provide solar generated electricity to Southern Europe.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')asdar will be a dense, walled development built in two phases. Wind parks, photovoltaic farms, research fields, and plantations will be sited outside the walls


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The city will house the Masdar Institute of Science and Technology, the graduate science and research Institute currently being established in cooperation with MIT; research facilities; world-class laboratories; commercial space for related-sector companies; light manufacturing facilities and a carefully selected pool of international tenants who will invest, develop, and commercialize advanced energy technologies. The city will also host Masdar's offices, residential space for employees, as well as a science museum and edutainment facilities.

Masdar CEO, Sultan Al Jaber explained, "There is nothing like this in the world. We are creating a synergetic environment; it is a true alternative energy cluster. Here you will find researchers, students, scientists, business investment professionals, and policy makers all within the same community. It will be a living example of sustainable development that will position Abu Dhabi and Masdar at the forefront of intelligent resource utilization. It will combine the talent, expertise and resources to enable the technological breakthroughs necessary for truly sustainable development."
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby diogenes » Sun 19 Aug 2007, 22:40:28

Many of you are criticizing this city for absolutely asinine reasons. Food production? No city does its own food production. How many grain-fields have you seen in Miami, Florida? Air conditioning? Air conditioning didn't exist a century ago, and people adapted by living in dense cities with tall buildings and narrow streets which were always shaded. Along with things like heat chimneys and high ceilings, this is the historically proven method of living in a hot climate. When oil skyrockets, these people will be more likely to survive than people in a Westernized city like Tehran... or a Western city like New York. Hell, they're probably more likely to survive than many of our resident survivalists digging themselves bunkers in Idaho.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby Cabrone » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 05:19:30

[quote]The maximum distance to public transport will be 200 meters (about 220 yards), and a compact network of streets will encourages walking. A personal rapid transport system will be constructed. Shaded walkways and narrow streets are expected to create a pedestrian-friendly environment, no mean feat in Abu Dhabi's scorching climate. [quote]

Looks like a really interesting idea to me and indicates that finally architects are starting to take a look at the vernacular architecture and get some inspiration from it.

If they are looking at tried and tested methods I'd imagine they'll be looking at windcatchers for passive ventilation and walls with high thermal mass to cool and stabilise temperatures within.

If designed correctly they could conteract high temperatures, after all the Arabs have been doing it for centuries, it's just that the 'modern' world has deigned it not worthy to use such old methods.

Best of luck to them, I'd be interested to see how this development works out.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby jdmartin » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 13:01:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diogenes', 'M')any of you are criticizing this city for absolutely asinine reasons. Food production? No city does its own food production. How many grain-fields have you seen in Miami, Florida? Air conditioning? Air conditioning didn't exist a century ago, and people adapted by living in dense cities with tall buildings and narrow streets which were always shaded. Along with things like heat chimneys and high ceilings, this is the historically proven method of living in a hot climate. When oil skyrockets, these people will be more likely to survive than people in a Westernized city like Tehran... or a Western city like New York. Hell, they're probably more likely to survive than many of our resident survivalists digging themselves bunkers in Idaho.


Your thought that this city has a better chance of surviving skyrocketing oil than New York is ridiculous; UAE has almost NO freshwater sources to speak of - desalinzation is the only thing that allows the place to be inhabited by 4+ million people. The average summertime temperature there is about 115 degrees. NYC sees 90 degrees a few times a year, and 100 almost never. If skyrocketing oil is a detriment to survival - meaning, I presume, that disrupted/unavailable oil will mean lack of access to food & other products - then a "survivalist in Idaho" will have a lot better chance of staying alive than someone isolated to a desert bunker. And if tall buildings mean shade, and staying alive, what leads you to believe that NYC's tall buildings would be less effective at reducing heat in a climate that's alread 30+ degrees cooler than UAE?

I think the criticism of the project in general comes not from the idea of the project but the location of it. UAE is, for the most part, an uninhabitable hellhole that's only become populated because of oil. Making comparisons to walled cities in Europe makes no sense, because the basic climatology is completely different.

And one other thing - please provide examples that this is the proven method of living in a hot climate. The relatively few cities that existed in the Mesopotamian world were always clustered around an abundant freshwater source and did not include skyscrapers, which is a 20th century invention. Are you saying that 20th century inventions are proven methods of survival? Or are they anamolies, only made possible through abundant sources of cheap energy?
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby diogenes » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 19:55:23

I see no implication that this will be a city of huge towers. I think it more likely that it will follow the model of old Marrakech or Tangier--tall buildings in relation to the street, so that they are three or four storeys, not the megaliths we build in the West. Water is a concern, but the UAE is optimal for solar energy, and electricity has always been the lesser problem in terms of resource depletion: there are ways (including wind, solar, and tidal generation) to generate electricity. It's transport that's the issue, and a "car free" city is one way of dealing with it.

Food is a greater concern, and isn't one that I see being easy for anyone to manage--but somehow I think it will be just as hard for fifty million Americans streaming away from its temperate cities as it will be for the four million inhabitants of the UAE hellhole.

As for the survivalists, well--the first winter in the northern plains or the rockies will sift the men from the boys.
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Re: Oil Emirate to Build First New Carfree City

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Tue 21 Aug 2007, 15:38:13

I guess I'm not as "doomsday" as some others replying to this thread. As I mentioned, Algeria is already in negotiations with Spain and Italy to bring electrical cables under the Mediterranean. Doesn't this imply a somewhat distant future agreement where Arab countries, with their abundance of solar energy potential, export electrical energy to Europe in exchange for agricultural products?

Very simply I look at this project as a sort of Saudi preparation for the future.
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